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Post by otleybard on Nov 9, 2009 15:23:40 GMT 1
1 Worsnop 2 Lloyd 5 Ellis 6 Cotterill 3 Fitzgerald 4 Needham 8 Holland 11 Merris 7 Muller 9 Walshaw 10 Bett 12 Briggs 14 Burton 15 Tuck 16 Joynes 17 Ratchford (Runs for cover. )
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Post by volvoman on Nov 9, 2009 15:37:00 GMT 1
Can't argue with that OB.
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Post by richard on Nov 9, 2009 17:44:52 GMT 1
Like it OB! Any injury to the back 4 adjust with Merris. Any problems in Midfield adjust with Briggs or Burton. Any changes/Fresh leg's upfront adjust with any of the subs (apart from Rachford ) Are you getting a management Consultancy fee - Or a free Pie? R
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Post by theprisoner on Nov 9, 2009 19:08:09 GMT 1
Looks strong on the left but weak on the right. I'd prefer 4 in midfield and 2 in attack. There are too many central players at the club (midfield & forwards) and too few natural or proven genuine wide men; hence the lack of width passing & crosses. Also in the home games I've seen Burton has shown far too much desire & ability, even out of position, to be left on the bench. Bentham, who I thought had a great in the last quarter of the game on Saturday, doesn't even make the bench, whilst Father Ted has yet to impress in the games I've seen. Worrying for Askham, Malcher & Singh that they don't even make your bench. At least everyone would agree with your choice of keeper & back four.
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Post by Nik on Nov 9, 2009 20:10:27 GMT 1
I don't think Holland is quite mobile enough to play as one of a midfield two, but he's the best ball player by a mile so he has to play. I think OB's list is pretty much spot on, Burton as an impact player definitely works for me, the way he puts himself about really troubles tiring defenders.
Only things are that this is quite a physically small team and the lack of pace/width on the bench. I'd leave Joynes out (Burts can do that) and suggest Askham.
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Post by adambrid on Nov 9, 2009 20:49:39 GMT 1
Is Briggs still at the club? AB
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Post by Nik on Nov 9, 2009 20:50:52 GMT 1
Isn't he the one who's always got a hoody on under his tracksuit? He was with Fitz and Muller at the away games.
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Post by adambrid on Nov 9, 2009 20:52:20 GMT 1
Yeh I think it is well thats good news that he is still at the club AB
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Post by otleybard on Nov 11, 2009 0:19:17 GMT 1
Looks strong on the left but weak on the right. I'd prefer 4 in midfield and 2 in attack. There are too many central players at the club (midfield & forwards) and too few natural or proven genuine wide men; hence the lack of width passing & crosses. Also in the home games I've seen Burton has shown far too much desire & ability, even out of position, to be left on the bench. Bentham, who I thought had a great in the last quarter of the game on Saturday, doesn't even make the bench, whilst Father Ted has yet to impress in the games I've seen. Worrying for Askham, Malcher & Singh that they don't even make your bench. At least everyone would agree with your choice of keeper & back four. Thanks for that, pris; I was hoping a few more would join in the debate. I accept most of your points, though I'd have to take issue with a right flank of Lloyd, Needham and Muller being described as weak. I've used 4-3-3 as a basis, as that's essentially how we played on our storming run in spring, though should it prove necessary Muller or Bett could easily revert to wide midfield. As far as I'm concerned Merris has proved the perfect wide man, surging forward, crossing well and adding steel in midfield when necessary, contributions we miss when he has to revert to defence. Similarly, Walshaw needs to be free to 'start fires' in the penalty box. You're right that the squad seems a bit lacking in balance, with no central defensive cover without disrupting the whole formation and a preponderance of midfielders. As you say, Bentham played well against Frickley, but in the away games Holland (who I had doubts about at first) has excelled in the puppetmaster role and brought the best out of the players around him. Regarding the omissions, it's just about numbers; Askham, Malcher, Singh and Joynes are all useful players but I thought they did little either at Taddy or in the reserves' game against Ossett Town to press their claims for inclusion. They'll get more chances, and I'd have Joynes on the bench to provide a 'route one' option; James H is the only player from last year (query Bambrook?) who's not been replaced at least adequately.
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Post by theprisoner on Nov 11, 2009 0:35:39 GMT 1
I'd have to take issue with a right flank of Lloyd, Needham and Muller being described as weak. They aren't weak players but Needham & Muller aren't natural wide men in the way that Merris is on the left. I think you can tell when a player is comfortable and in his favoured position or not. For example Kreif played on the right for Farsley a couple of games ago and looked very uncomfortable and not his usual effective self. It might just be my Farsley bias but I think Bambrook & Crossley are both missed. Replacing them with two other old fellas just isn't the same.
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Post by theprisoner on Nov 11, 2009 0:53:31 GMT 1
Another point is whether Kitty & Thomo themselves have a relatively settled idea of their preferred stating line up. I know I haven't seen the team play for a while but it's not an uncommon experience for me to take a couple of minutes to work out who's playing in what position in midfield and attack. Problem is that unlike the defence the other positions don't pick themselves. For me only Wally & Merris automatically win their natural/preferred places.
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Post by Nik on Nov 11, 2009 1:00:12 GMT 1
You can't leave Needham out, he's one of the first names on the sheet because he brings goals and energy.
Just wondering whether Fergie at Manyoo knows his best starting eleven for his 4-3-3. I think the flexibility is one of its great appeals.
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Post by yeadoner on Nov 11, 2009 8:13:59 GMT 1
Another point is whether Kitty & Thomo themselves have a relatively settled idea of their preferred stating line up. I know I haven't seen the team play for a while but it's not an uncommon experience for me to take a couple of minutes to work out who's playing in what position in midfield and attack. Problem is that unlike the defence the other positions don't pick themselves. For me only Wally & Merris automatically win their natural/preferred places. You'd surely have to add Danny Ellis to the two names quoted at the end?
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Post by theprisoner on Nov 11, 2009 10:10:41 GMT 1
Problem is that unlike the defence the other positions don't pick themselves. For me only Wally & Merris automatically win their natural/preferred places. You'd surely have to add Danny Ellis to the two names quoted at the end?
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Post by theprisoner on Nov 11, 2009 10:23:02 GMT 1
Just wondering whether Fergie at Manyoo knows his best starting eleven for his 4-3-3. I think the flexibility is one of its great appeals. Mmh they aren't doing too well are they. Too much change between games means players don't settle or know what's expected of them. As far as I could tell on Saturday the formation didn't change but they looked much better in the second half. Maybe it took them half a game to pick up what was expected of them and if they keep the same line up & formation it might work next time. As for Needham he does look good but most of the reports of him running the show have been at away games that I haven't seen.
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