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Post by Nik on Nov 24, 2023 17:37:30 GMT 1
This is a very strange conversation. I don't think people have expressed the views you say you're shocked by... I haven't read anything that makes me think someone here holds that FCUM or BPA are the problems with football or that the concentration of wealth in the PL is a brilliant thing that should go unchecked. Those aren't views you're going to find on the Guiseley forum.
Back on the main subject, I *do* think that Macclesfield's financial power causes problems, but only problems we've seen ourselves previously with Harrogate, Stockport, Telford, York, Halifax and have been seen elsewhere with Salford and Wrexham. Every club floats to the level where their spending power matches most of the clubs around them. In Macclesfield's case, that'll place them back in upper NL/lower L2 in a few years' time, regardless of whether we win lose or draw there tomorrow.
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Post by bigj on Nov 24, 2023 18:30:34 GMT 1
Like you say Nik I think this has been an interesting discussion. I also think that over the course of the last two decades that the PL model has filtered down to Non-League particularly in the three divisions of the National League where the majority of clubs are now full-time or use a hybrid model.In Macclesfields case they have invested money in the stadium and have gates of 4k nearly every game whereas other clubs like Radcliffe seem to be speculating to accumulate. Even down in the Northern Counties East both Emley and Silsden have substantial playing budgets and even we cleared just under a million off the books not so long ago courtesy of Marcus and Russell.
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Post by Nik on Nov 24, 2023 18:38:03 GMT 1
Yeah. Macclesfield shouldn’t be in this division, it’s bad for them and annoying for clubs who are trying to get in the promotion fight and are being elbowed out by reformed clubs from higher divisions. But if 4000 people are willing to pay their gate prices then they’ll be able to sign players most clubs can’t.
Radcliffe are a puzzle, what’s the potential there? We were looking at a gap for a good second club in a huge city, you could see a potential market for something NL or League 2 standard in a one club city like Leeds, but like Farsley before us we didn’t manage to do that (thankfully we survived).
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Post by bigj on Nov 24, 2023 19:42:54 GMT 1
Not sure really, I would think Bolton Wanderers are the nearest league club but they fell from grace years ago.
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Post by AFootballFan on Nov 24, 2023 20:02:27 GMT 1
For my own part, I love watching Guiseley, and they’ll always be my main team, but I like watching Premiership games, too. Who wouldn’t enjoying watching Man City and Erling Haaland in full flight?
I just love good football at whatever level it’s played, and whilst I acknowledge the financial imbalance between the Premier League and the rest, it doesn’t doesn’t bother me at all, and certainly wouldn’t stop me from enjoying watching a game.
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Post by MrP on Nov 24, 2023 20:18:04 GMT 1
Yeah. Macclesfield shouldn’t be in this division, it’s bad for them and annoying for clubs who are trying to get in the promotion fight and are being elbowed out by reformed clubs from higher divisions. But if 4000 people are willing to pay their gate prices then they’ll be able to sign players most clubs can’t. Radcliffe are a puzzle, what’s the potential there? We were looking at a gap for a good second club in a huge city, you could see a potential market for something NL or League 2 standard in a one club city like Leeds, but like Farsley before us we didn’t manage to do that (thankfully we survived). Thing is Macc have never been BIG. They were a good non-league team who got to the FL but were never well supported. The current adoration is all to do with Robbie S. Not dissimilar to Salford. The real non-league team in that area was Alty. As for Radcliffe, isn’t this another example of one man (or woman) plaything - take Colne Dynamos, Fleetwood, AFC Fylde, Rushden & Diamonds, Gretna or South Shields for further examples I think the Premier League has for better or worse improved the standard of football through all the leagues (and also caused “copycat behaviour” eg diving, taking the ball to the corner, playing out from the back etc) - I grew up watching Marine & Southport as my non-league teams, both of whom were good northern non-league teams but I remember the football being fairly rudimentary |
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Post by ivor on Nov 24, 2023 20:28:53 GMT 1
Not sure really, I would think Bolton Wanderers are the nearest league club but they fell from grace years ago. Let me tell me Bolton are firmly on the way back! |
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Post by leftwinger on Nov 24, 2023 20:37:19 GMT 1
This is a very strange conversation. I don't think people have expressed the views you say you're shocked by... I haven't read anything that makes me think someone here holds that FCUM or BPA are the problems with football or that the concentration of wealth in the PL is a brilliant thing that should go unchecked. Those aren't views you're going to find on the Guiseley forum. Back on the main subject, I *do* think that Macclesfield's financial power causes problems, but only problems we've seen ourselves previously with Harrogate, Stockport, Telford, York, Halifax and have been seen elsewhere with Salford and Wrexham. Every club floats to the level where their spending power matches most of the clubs around them. In Macclesfield's case, that'll place them back in upper NL/lower L2 in a few years' time, regardless of whether we win lose or draw there tomorrow. I was surprised/ shocked to find so many responses directed at me, defending the Premier League and challenging me for my attitude to the PL on a site for a non-league club on this thread. That to me is strange. Someone said recently on this thread that that they thought a lot of FCUM supporters were really Man Utd supporters and would likely go back to supporting the Old Trafford side, if the present owners left. I praised their supporters for starting their own club and said I couldn’t imagine them deserting the club they created. No-one, said they agreed with that. Someone on here made a comment, seemingly pleased that BPA are having their problems Ie “Their fans’ forum is always a good read full of derogatory and demeaning comments and that’s just the editorial. “ That was why I mentioned those two non-league clubs. |
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Post by bigj on Nov 24, 2023 20:51:23 GMT 1
Not sure really, I would think Bolton Wanderers are the nearest league club but they fell from grace years ago. Let me tell me Bolton are firmly on the way back! Ok Ivor happy to stand corrected! |
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Post by bigj on Nov 24, 2023 21:01:50 GMT 1
When the 4G pitch was laid at Horsfall they set up a separate company to manage this and the stadium and as far as I am aware BPA derive no income from it.Whereas most clubs that go down the same route manage the bookings and the income that is generated which is the main reason for doing it in the first place.
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Post by Nik on Nov 24, 2023 23:36:50 GMT 1
Not sure really, I would think Bolton Wanderers are the nearest league club but they fell from grace years ago. Let me tell me Bolton are firmly on the way back! Way back where? |
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Post by lioncub on Nov 24, 2023 23:48:46 GMT 1
The tone of this discussion is not what I have come to expect from this forum. We are here predominantly to talk about Guiseley and the league we play in. You can of course have differences of opinion , just accept we don’t all agree with everything that’s posted and move on!
I would be very grateful if members would consider being more succinct as some of these threads are becoming War and Peace!
Come on you Lions.🦁🦁🦁
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Post by bigj on Nov 25, 2023 5:47:20 GMT 1
As posted on their Fans Forum Avenue have the final interviewees for the managers job...  |
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Post by cdp on Dec 8, 2023 22:01:27 GMT 1
Interesting to see that Marske United have been suspended from the league and their next two matches which are against Worksop and Lancaster have been postponed. Unclear to me what the exact issue is but Marske have recently been acquired by a company called Marske United Limited and that company is seeking to raise £100k through a share offering. It would appear that some element of that breaches League rules - hence the suspension. Looking at the league table and clearly there is a long way to go to conclude this issue but if Marske’s results were to be expunged, nine of the top eleven teams in the league would lose three points. Rylands and Guiseley would lose none and Guiseley would climb to third in the table. We would also not have a game on Boxing Day which must be quite possible as I imagine this issue will take some time to resolve.
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Post by Nik on Dec 9, 2023 16:31:19 GMT 1
I think Marske were going to go down anyway, so I wouldn’t mind that scenario. We’d avoid two banana skin games.
But they’re a lovely club, sad that this is such a mess.
Have to say, you wouldn’t catch me putting money into a club in such an opaque situation though. £100k barely buys them a season and how does it all operate after that? Are there even any examples of clubs running on hundreds of non-wealthy benefactors like that? Or do the original shareholders just get bought out/diluted whenever a wealthier individual can be found?
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