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Post by adambrid on Apr 11, 2023 16:11:23 GMT 1
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Post by bigj on Apr 12, 2023 0:37:24 GMT 1
Seeing as he’s been mentioned, I still live in hope that Mark could come back again one day - what he’s done with no budget at BPA while the club meanders towards the cemetery has been impressive. Does that make me part of the Guiseley sentimentality problem though?? Think he's on a five year contract at BPA which is part of the ludicrous five year plan they have/had but I don't think they envisaged finishing up in the Northern Counties East League! |
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Post by rallyman on Apr 12, 2023 12:18:16 GMT 1
Seeing as he’s been mentioned, I still live in hope that Mark could come back again one day - what he’s done with no budget at BPA while the club meanders towards the cemetery has been impressive. Does that make me part of the Guiseley sentimentality problem though?? Think he's on a five year contract at BPA which is part of the ludicrous five year plan they have/had but I don't think they envisaged finishing up in the Northern Counties East League! Interesting listening to BPA's "Director of Football" talking about money required for NLN teams on the WY non league podcast. He suggested £250k required for a bottom half team & £350k for a team aiming for the play-off's. Assume this means even more for Fylde & Kings Lynn. He reckoned that BPA have one of, if not the lowest, budget of all NLN teams & hence one reason for them imminently joining us next season. He also reckoned the likes of South Shields already had a NLN budget in the NLP this season. Rallyman |
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Post by adambrid on Apr 12, 2023 16:37:10 GMT 1
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Post by mark1985 on Apr 12, 2023 20:11:25 GMT 1
Think he's on a five year contract at BPA which is part of the ludicrous five year plan they have/had but I don't think they envisaged finishing up in the Northern Counties East League! Interesting listening to BPA's "Director of Football" talking about money required for NLN teams on the WY non league podcast. He suggested £250k required for a bottom half team & £350k for a team aiming for the play-off's. Assume this means even more for Fylde & Kings Lynn. He reckoned that BPA have one of, if not the lowest, budget of all NLN teams & hence one reason for them imminently joining us next season. He also reckoned the likes of South Shields already had a NLN budget in the NLP this season. Rallyman I think South Shields budget to be full time and the squad size would be top half of NLN at present. Having said that their manager salary alone would be mid table if that is also included. |
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Post by MrP on Apr 12, 2023 20:55:38 GMT 1
Interesting listening to BPA's "Director of Football" talking about money required for NLN teams on the WY non league podcast. He suggested £250k required for a bottom half team & £350k for a team aiming for the play-off's. Assume this means even more for Fylde & Kings Lynn. He reckoned that BPA have one of, if not the lowest, budget of all NLN teams & hence one reason for them imminently joining us next season. He also reckoned the likes of South Shields already had a NLN budget in the NLP this season. Rallyman I think South Shields budget to be full time and the squad size would be top half of NLN at present. Having said that their manager salary alone would be mid table if that is also included. Are they talking about Player Wages or for the whole club? I suspect clubs get by by offering 40/52 contracts but my simple maths say 250k = 5k per week which for players doesn’t seem excessive (20 players @ £250/week). Add in travel expenses and win/goal bonuses etc Add in coaching staff etc. It just doesn’t seem that big if honest even for the bigger teams. I remember from Wrexham Doc - average NL salary was £40k (?!?) I might have got my maths completely wrong - please do tell me if Im way off scale It does make you wonder why owners get involved at this level other than for TAX (throwaway) because you certainly aren’t making money from the club |
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Post by Nik on Apr 12, 2023 21:10:51 GMT 1
Even on 40 week contracts that’s only about £300 a week. Bearing in mind some of the figures you hear teams are paying just for a striker or a good keeper, it’s no wonder we find ourselves using youth loans.
(Not sure I’m ready to take BPA’s director of football or marketing’s estimates as gospel btw)
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Post by joshbgafc1 on Apr 13, 2023 1:58:14 GMT 1
Phillips is the right man for the job. Saw someone earlier said they wanted russ o Neil to be shown the door. Is he ok? The man brought in two of our best performers this season in Lewis whitham and Kwame boateng. He also brought in joe ackroyd… Phillips deserves a full season with his own squad with players that fit his mould. I don’t always agree with the slander of players but I’d rather him be honest then sugarcoat it. People complaining at the manager swearing on the sideline also need to get a grip, it’s a game of emotions and everyone uses foul language. Can’t help but think we are becoming far to sensitive, this manager has a proven track record of reaching the play offs with his own teams, we would of reached the play offs if not for the injury of Lewis whitham. We need to find a replacement for him fast.
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Post by bigj on Apr 13, 2023 8:15:37 GMT 1
Phillips is the right man for the job. Saw someone earlier said they wanted russ o Neil to be shown the door. Is he ok? The man brought in two of our best performers this season in Lewis whitham and Kwame boateng. He also brought in joe ackroyd… Phillips deserves a full season with his own squad with players that fit his mould. I don’t always agree with the slander of players but I’d rather him be honest then sugarcoat it. People complaining at the manager swearing on the sideline also need to get a grip, it’s a game of emotions and everyone uses foul language. Can’t help but think we are becoming far to sensitive, this manager has a proven track record of reaching the play offs with his own teams, we would of reached the play offs if not for the injury of Lewis whitham. We need to find a replacement for him fast. ...and Russ is probably the man to find him. |
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Post by Nik on Apr 13, 2023 10:04:30 GMT 1
I don’t get why people think slagging the players off is honesty. It isn’t. It’s just bad management.
(If in doubt, name me one successful team where the manager behaves like that; in return I’ll show you ten times when it was a sign of a manager losing the dressing room and being close to leaving their club)
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Post by leftwinger on Apr 13, 2023 10:42:31 GMT 1
I wasn’t aware of the language and overly aggressive attitude coming from our bench, being usually sited on the other side of the pitch. But, when people are reduced to this, most in the know about human behaviour would say “they’ve lost it, are out of control and it is a sure sign that they don’t know what to do or say!” Ie It is based around frustration (with themselves as much as others’) and has the unfortunate side effect of communicating to the other side in a competition that the sayer is losing the plot and can do nothing about it! This, is precisely what you should NOT do to an opponent in any competitive game! (Hence the well known phrase: “Keep Calm And Carry On!) Particularly true for people who are paid to be ‘leaders’.
Some games ago, I said I thought PP should be given another season to see what he could do. However, I have had a change of heart around this. Performances have been poor, team morale seems rock bottom, supporters are unhappy with some staying away. The ‘ethos’ of Nethermore and the Guiseley way of supporting the team and behaving is being harmed. Too many new players have been unsuitable, whilst some others who are decent have been cast aside. Things are clearly not happy in the dressing room or on the pitch. Results and performances have been discouraging. The manager seems to have ‘lost it’ as have some of the players. Thank goodness we are safe from relegation!
(My opinion only-others will have their own view) : I for one want to put on record right here, I think we can do better with another manager for next season-there will be others available looking for a position I’m sure. The early close season is the BEST time to bring in a new manager. I DON’T think the present manager is the ‘right fit’ for our club-there’s plenty of good evidence for this and it MUST NOT be ignored!
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Post by plasticman on Apr 13, 2023 21:15:14 GMT 1
I stand close to the Guiseley dugout, and in defence of PP, his attitude hasn't noticeably changed since he first arrived at the club. From his first game to the most recent, his approach to players in most of his communications with them during the game have been very "brusque", to say the least.
I think a significant part of the perceived problem with his approach is a product of the ingrained "hire-and-fire them" mentality of supporters and directors, with success expected over a relatively short-term, possibly only a few months. Is this his sole employment? While supporters are emotionally involved with Guiseley, they are not financially dependent on their success or otherwise. One can understand why PP might get so emotionally involved with his mortgage payments on the line.
Paul Phillips has a proven track record of reasonable success at this level. In recent years, all we have experienced at Nethermoor is near, or outright abject failure. Everybody seemed happy when we were on the edge of the play-offs a few weeks ago. Now it's gone pear-shaped, the knives are out. Let's see what happens after his first 10 games next season when he has had a free rein to sign the players he wants.
I would suggest that he is less confrontational with linesmen. In reality, the linesman has little influence on the refereeing of the game, so there is nothing to be gained by annoying them, and may have a negative response. Leave the harassment to the supporters.
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Post by leftwinger on Apr 13, 2023 22:53:14 GMT 1
It’s a fair point to say that some supporters and directors have a “hire and fire approach” re : managers these days. Decades ago, managers stayed at football clubs for much longer periods and were given much more time to gain success which could be just keeping the club in the same division. And, yes, it’s true managers have the task of earning their livings through their jobs and paying the bills like any other employees. But, it’s also fair to say that PP has talked publicly eg in interviews after matches on this site in a particularly critical and even dismissive manner about some other employees at the club Ie his team players. He has also made it clear he is quite prepared to be ruthless in getting rid of any of them, and has already done so, adding that he intends to replace more of them in the future. Football players like managers also depend on employment to pay their bills. At the end of each successive season there are many discarded football players looking for a club and a wage to contribute to earning their livings. (Hence the reason many choose NOT to become full time professionals.) PP may well have been honest, but what this kind of candour does for team spirit and morale within the camp, can only be imagined. Some would also say, “those that live by the sword often die by the sword” ie ruthlessness cuts both ways. There is no sentimentality in professional football or most professional sports when the going gets tough, particularly these days. And, the one certainly for most professional football managers whoever they are, at whatever level, (and however much success they’ve had in the past) is the eventual ending of ‘the sack.’
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Post by bigj on Apr 14, 2023 7:39:19 GMT 1
I look back at the performances at Marske and FCUM where we played the latter off the park and were unfortunate not to win with a full squad. If you remove 10 or 11 players from that squad and have to bring in individuals on loan (sometimes at 24 hrs notice) or who can't get a game so at their parent clubs, then is it any wonder we have struggled over the past couple of months? And while we might not like his way of doing things PP is our manager and stands and falls by his decisions and deserves the chance to build his own squad for next season. After all we can't keep paying managers off every verse end can we and if we are in with a chance of promotion this time next year will anyone be complaining calling for his head?
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Post by mrsann on Apr 14, 2023 14:00:12 GMT 1
I have never called for the sacking of Mr Phillips,I agree with giving people a fair go regardless of whether you like their personality or not but what I have a problem with is his behaviour on the touch line when he is representing our club and the lack of respect he appears to show to his players when interviewed after the game.
Behaving in that boorish manner endears him to no one he becomes a target for match officials and that then is reflected on the field of play either consciously or not it happens we've all seen it.
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