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Post by tugger18 on Nov 19, 2023 8:52:56 GMT 1
Let me clarify. As you point out, even Premier League players get it wrong. I'm not sure what the perceived advantage is, but teams at this level (and several levels above) trying to play out of defence, based on a back-of-a fag-packet risk-benefit assessment, is too risky a tactic. Getting things right four times out of five are not good odds in my book. I hope you're not a surgeon or work in the nuclear industry. What would you like to see the ball lumped up in the air from the back all the time? |
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Post by mike25 on Nov 19, 2023 9:27:46 GMT 1
A match and result which very closely resembled the contest there last season- a first half where we had been largely on top, but ultimately failed to make chances count, and then done by an injury time goal for an undeserved defeat (would like to see the penalty incident again, looked very harsh from a distance).
Our defensive frailties were on show again, with both of the first two FC goals looking quite dodgy- we have definitely missed Ible the last two matches. As good as it was scoring four goals last weekend, the reality is you usually won’t get away with conceding three goals, which we have now done in consecutive matches.
I am pretty optimistic with how we look going forward, we controlled midfield well for much of yesterday and Pratt, Nsaka and Stacey were constant threats down the wings. Think we are still at least one quality defender short, hope Andy will address this soon.
No need to panic but definitely felt like a missed opportunity yesterday- next six matches coming up against teams in top twelve of the table.
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Post by cdp on Nov 19, 2023 17:53:51 GMT 1
Agree with others - we were the more accomplished team for large parts of the game, passing the ball nicely and showing some excellent build up play but the final pass often wasn’t good enough and our front two, Johnson in particular were largely kept quiet by the FCUM defence. We got sloppy after we scored and let them back into the game - that needs addressing, and we looked shaky in defence at times - we need another decent centre back to cover for injuries/unavailability as we are too reliant on Jameel Ible (someone tell me he is available on Tuesday as St Kitts play tonight?). Also agree with comments about the referee who I thought was good in the first half but seemed to give us nothing in the second. Still plenty of positives about the performance but a bit of a reality check - we wont be threatening the playoffs unless we tighten the defensive play. Whilst there are no easy games in the NPL we did lose to a pretty average team yesterday. Finally, so proud that I can say ‘I was there’ when Prince scored his worldie!!
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Post by adambrid on Nov 19, 2023 18:45:20 GMT 1
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Post by netherfieldlion on Nov 19, 2023 20:29:41 GMT 1
I’m afraid today we were undone by what seemed to me to be a young inexperienced referee. I don’t like to criticise because I think FC Utd create an intimidating atmosphere - which is also perfectly acceptable, but I think the FA need to give refs more time develop. However I felt the balance of marginal decisions became relentlessly in favour of the home side in the last quarter. Their third goal epitomised this. The free kick that led to the corner was not a free kick. The corner should have been a goal kick. The penalty dubious but then the shout moments later at the other end was equal to it. I do think we should not have lost, but a draw would have been a fair result. A poor FC United team raised their game today. For some reason they seem to think we are Leeds Utd - this is tiresome and disrespectful. I enjoyed it today when they started chanting ‘we all hate Leeds’ and then so did our fans. Not that I have anything against Leeds, just that we are not them and they are not Manchester Utd. I’m positive about the team and performance in general. Matlock need to feel the consequences on Tuesday. Proper weird they think we are Leeds United. Like many who follow Guiseley I don’t give two hoots about Leeds and yet they celebrated as though they’d beaten Leeds United’s first team. I find the Man U thing weird too. Surely you follow your team and try to change things not setup a poor man’s clone. |
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Post by bigj on Nov 19, 2023 20:37:21 GMT 1
I reckon most FCUM fans still follow MU from a distance as its the Glaziers that they have an issue with. The Leeds United thing is just nonesensical although but old habits die hard.
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Post by plasticman on Nov 19, 2023 21:22:00 GMT 1
I reckon most FCUM fans still follow MU from a distance as its the Glaziers that they have an issue with. The Leeds United thing is just nonesensical although but old habits die hard. I'm not a Leeds fan, but many of my friends are. My impression is that a (considerable?) number of Leeds fans not only dislike Manchester United, but have a rabid hatred.
Legend has it (I've been reliably told by those in the know that it is true) that a local painter and decorator, a particularly avid Leeds supporter home and away, across Europe, once refused a job because a customer wanted her front door painted red.
Maybe it's an older generation thing.
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Post by Nik on Nov 20, 2023 8:02:46 GMT 1
I think a lot of that tedious petty tribalism still exists, although it’s harder for the average Man Utd fan to have the chance to be told face to face by a Leeds fan that they’re scum now that 90% are not from this country.
I guess I’m replying to the ideas in the Workington thread but one of the main draws of non league to me is specifically that it’s free from all that identity warfare.
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Post by leftwinger on Nov 20, 2023 10:53:46 GMT 1
I feel I must say a few words in defence of FCUM. I admire their fans for taking the trouble, a lot of time and effort, fraught with hurdles and difficulties, to set up their own team. And, it has been and is a success. Okay, they have more fans than Guiseley and Man Utd are a mega club, from which to break away for a project like this. But, they’ve followed the model of supporter-owned community football club and the fans are the ones who founded it, made it happen and still run it via people appointed to do things on their behalf. They didn’t seek out a sugar daddy, to make it happen for them. They stick to certain criteria eg no sponsorship spoiling the front of the shirts which I think is commendable. And, I’d like to see the evidence, they really prefer Man Utd NOW (instead of sticking by their own creation) who would go back to following the Premier League club, if the Glazers left. I don’t see it as a clone, though they use the same colours. But, even if they did want to create another small version of Man Utd, they’ve done it in the way they want it, not like the bloated version at Old Trafford. My, feeling which can’t be proved, admittedly, but is highly likely, is that their football fans are just like us, sick of the money, money, domination of the Premier League and the faceless, unaccountable, distant (and sometimes highly dubious) owners (eg those who have bought Newcastle United) and the way football is run by those at the top right now. I’ve no reason to suspect otherwise. Yorkshire/Lancashire contests are always hard fought, always will be. It would be strange if they weren’t. The winners celebrate loudly and heartily, as we would have done had the scores been reversed on Saturday! Plenty of evidence for that!
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Post by bigj on Nov 20, 2023 17:00:06 GMT 1
It's like fans who claim to an avid supporters of a Premier League club and know everything about football but have never been to a live game in their lives and have only ever watched it on the telly and folowed it on social media. Telling them that you watch sixty games plus a season and can talk to the management, players, directors and officials of your club without having to attend a press conference leaves them in a state of utter confusion!
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Post by leftwinger on Nov 20, 2023 17:42:06 GMT 1
Yes, I once met a young lad who supported Man Utd, whilst I was working. He was about 16 and liked to talk about the team and his collection of Panini stickers. He was always keen to talk about them. I mentioned the Law, Charlton and Best-statue outside Old Trafford (OT), probably the club’s three greatest players, but he’d never heard of them, probably unsurprisingly. Anyway, I asked him if he’d actually been to a game at OT, but he said he just watched them on TV. I asked him if he’d ever been to a local club’s matches and suggested he might enjoy going to one. But, he said he hadn’t/ and was only interested in Man Utd.
A few weeks later, he told me he was going (in a month’s time) on an organised trip in a coach, and would be part of a tour of the stadium. I wrote a letter to Alex Ferguson, telling him what a decent lad he was and a model young fan of the club. I mentioned he’d never been to a match and put forward the idea perhaps a Utd player could meet the lad (who I named) at the time/on the date when he was coming-give him a nice surprise. I later got a reply from a club functionary, on MUFC notepaper, explaining this was not possible as all the players were far too busy to have time for this. (Or words to that effect!)
Okay, maybe all the players are ‘too busy’ all the time, but an autograph, or handwritten message for him from one of the players might have been nice! They’d taken the trouble to write back after all!
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Post by adambrid on Nov 20, 2023 22:05:15 GMT 1
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Post by colin19 on Nov 20, 2023 23:00:59 GMT 1
That YouTube video is something else. Demonstrates how the penalty decision was wrong while incomprehensibly they claim it showed It was blocked with both hands. They also moan about us warming up on the pitch rather than the 3G. If it’s not good enough to warm up on it’s not good enough to play on. I think we should bookmark this one for the team talk for the return fixture. Doesn’t reflect well on them. |
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Post by leftwinger on Nov 20, 2023 23:25:24 GMT 1
The penalty: Gabriel Johnson comes running out, jumps and turns his back towards the ball being kicked at him, at fairly close quarters. How can a penalty be given for ‘deliberate handball’ when he can’t see where the ball is going? Also, his hands didn’t look to be up in the air. I find the interpretation of deliberate handball hard to understand these days. It used to be: ball to hand= no penalty. Hand to ball = penalty. It has obviously changed and not for the better, as nowadays it’s completely confusing and irritating. Also, now you see defenders running around with both hands behind their backs, to be on the safe side. How they keep their balance like that is beyond me. The question of handball in the area is ripe for clarification and needs sorting out.
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Post by bigj on Nov 21, 2023 1:13:05 GMT 1
How the hell is that a penalty? It hit Gabriel on the spine something that the referee obviously didn't have on the day as it typical Man U of whatever persuasion to claim for anything and everything.
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