|
|
Post by grassroot on Apr 21, 2024 12:01:43 GMT 1
Re the post from mrsann "if they cause trouble outside the ground that's down to the police". Yes to police the incidence as it unfolds and take the appropriate action but the club is fully accountable for any damage to property ,injury or trauma in the vicinity of the ground caused by so called fans entering or leaving the ground. Compensation awarded to victims as a result of successful claims from such incidents could cause considerable financial implications for the club.I am sure the directors are fully aware of this and it must be of great concern when things kick off as they did. There will be measures available to deal with this but which will be financially impossible for the club to successfully implement.It is a sad situation for all concerned.
|
|
|
|
Post by plasticman on Apr 21, 2024 14:13:28 GMT 1
Perhaps for segregated games, the exit on Ings Cresecent at the Railway End could be stewarded to allow only people to move towards the railway bridge. Away fans wanting to move towards the Bowling Green end could do so on the path behind the stands. Guiseley supporters wanting to access the Railway End car park would only be allowed to use the exit at the Bowling Green end, and walk up Ings Crescent. The stewards near the bridge could keep an eye on things. In addition, a "spotter" could be placed on Netherfield Road to monitor for any groups congregating. The stewards should be put in place well before the match is due to end. Any movements on the path behind the stand should be monitored during the game. Is any video footage available of the hooliganism? I'd be surprised if some of the scrotes involved aren't already well known to the police. |
|
|
|
Post by lioncub on Apr 21, 2024 14:24:21 GMT 1
Think our status as “ a family friendly club” is now questionable after this continued appalling behaviour by - well I can’t call them fans! They don’t come to watch the football and support the club, they come to cause trouble.. The board needs to address this now and ban them.
|
|
|
|
Post by mrsann on Apr 21, 2024 19:40:30 GMT 1
Refering to my previous post about the police outside the ground, what I meant was that the police at least have the power to arrest and charge some of these maggots.
I strongly suspect though that it will boil down to a warning and telling off but hopefully their parents will be called in and recommended that they make sure they don't meet up with the mob in future or am I naive about modern parenting.
|
|
|
|
Post by plasticman on Apr 21, 2024 20:04:53 GMT 1
Refering to my previous post about the police outside the ground, what I meant was that the police at least have the power to arrest and charge some of these maggots. I strongly suspect though that it will boil down to a warning and telling off but hopefully their parents will be called in and recommended that they make sure they don't meet up with the mob in future or am I naive about modern parenting. I'm with you mrsann. Modern parents - pah! I'd have these scroats flogged in the centre circle as half time entertainment. Yes, I know, call me old-fashioned, but otherwise it's going to be hard to top entertainment-wise playing The Fall's "Hit the North", as they did yesterday.
|
|
|
|
Post by MrP on Apr 21, 2024 20:30:17 GMT 1
Didn't attend yesterdays game but its pretty obvious at most home games that these little scroates are out to cause trouble if they can fuelled by alcohol which most of them don't look old enough to drink. They also seem to be led by one individual who seems to have ingratiated himself with the club and the situation needs to be nipped in the bud before the start of next season. I think this is the Elephant in the room. It’s very obvious who the leaders are. But as you say, they have become almost stalwarts of the club. I’m sorry to hear what happened outside the ground but not at all surprised. To try to contribute to some of the discussion, I thought the membership was last season. It appeared to work but then I’m not sure it continued this season. And a lot of the leaders wouldn’t be affected by the membership scheme as now old enough to apply for their own. We (GAFC) obviously do have a responsibility for what happens outside the ground. And that will lead to increased policing costs as per NL which seems ridiculous for an NPL team. There’s no easy answer but suspect as a club, we need to accept theres still a problem and some of us “older fans” need to “call them out” even if this makes us feel uncomfortable. Right now it seems we (the Club) have gone for a better they’re in the tent and P outwards than vice versa… |
|
|
|
Post by MrP on Apr 21, 2024 20:31:15 GMT 1
As for the ⚽️, we were quite good, they were quite poor and we should have won by more but couldn’t find that final pass, clinical finish etc
|
|
|
|
Post by colin19 on Apr 21, 2024 20:36:26 GMT 1
I think we all agree that the behaviour after the match was unacceptable.
I think there is a tendency to confuse the current issue of occasional hordes of Andrew Tate infused schoolboys with football fans. They obviously aren’t - and would probably struggle to name any of the current squad. There is a general trend for gangs like this attaching to non-league clubs. It’s not a football issue in my view - especially when the club is proactively trying to exclude those seeking to cause trouble. Though I was surprised so many 15/16 year olds were grouped together yesterday.
But, just because we are a football club it doesn’t mean that we are the problem. If these lads entered a cinema and kicked off in this way you wouldn’t hear people asking what the cinema were going to do about it, you’d be demanding that their parents, school, and police get on top of it.
|
|
|
|
Post by MrP on Apr 21, 2024 20:47:11 GMT 1
I think we all agree that the behaviour after the match was unacceptable. I think there is a tendency to confuse the current issue of occasional hordes of Andrew Tate infused schoolboys with football fans. They obviously aren’t - and would probably struggle to name any of the current squad. There is a general trend for gangs like this attaching to non-league clubs. It’s not a football issue in my view - especially when the club is proactively trying to exclude those seeking to cause trouble. Though I was surprised so many 15/16 year olds were grouped together yesterday. But, just because we are a football club it doesn’t mean that we are the problem. If these lads entered a cinema and kicked off in this way you wouldn’t hear people asking what the cinema were going to do about it, you’d be demanding that their parents, school, and police get on top of it. I understand Colin but whilst the club is not the problem, the club has the problem. Yesterday, the club allowed in approx 100 young kids/teens/adults who were there for not just the football. And this is where the club comes into criticism, we all know who these individuals are but we continue to let them in. And for as long as we do, then it becomes our problem…. |
|
|
|
Post by plasticman on Apr 21, 2024 21:06:47 GMT 1
To try to contribute to some of the discussion, I thought the membership was last season. It appeared to work but then I’m not sure it continued this season. And a lot of the leaders wouldn’t be affected by the membership scheme as now old enough to apply for their own. We (GAFC) obviously do have a responsibility for what happens outside the ground. And that will lead to increased policing costs as per NL which seems ridiculous for an NPL team. There’s no easy answer but suspect as a club, we need to accept there's still a problem and some of us “older fans” need to “call them out” even if this makes us feel uncomfortable. Right now it seems we (the Club) have gone for a better they’re in the tent and P outwards than vice versa… Is it not possible for you “older fans” to “call them out” incognito to club officials, and let them deal with it? I appreciate that people are wary of being seen as a "grass", but the actions of these scroats are not just a danger to the reputation of the club, but also the safety of a fellow supporters. If it all "kicks off" due to their stupidity, it's not necessarily those who want to be involved that are injured, but innocent bystanders. Remember Heysel?
According to a Bradford Telegraph and Argus report of 19th January, "Following the dispersal order issued earlier this week, a further dispersal order has been put in place in the Guiseley area. This comes after multiple reports of anti-social behaviour involving youths in and around Guiseley in recent days." I suspect the main protagonists aren't strangers at Nethermoor.
The problem seems locally endemic, and needs to be nipped in the bud now. Perhaps the youth membership scheme needs re-instating for next season, but for those up to 21-years-old.
|
|
|
|
Post by MrP on Apr 21, 2024 21:16:45 GMT 1
To try to contribute to some of the discussion, I thought the membership was last season. It appeared to work but then I’m not sure it continued this season. And a lot of the leaders wouldn’t be affected by the membership scheme as now old enough to apply for their own. We (GAFC) obviously do have a responsibility for what happens outside the ground. And that will lead to increased policing costs as per NL which seems ridiculous for an NPL team. There’s no easy answer but suspect as a club, we need to accept there's still a problem and some of us “older fans” need to “call them out” even if this makes us feel uncomfortable. Right now it seems we (the Club) have gone for a better they’re in the tent and P outwards than vice versa… Is it not possible for you “older fans” to “call them out” incognito to club officials, and let them deal with it? I appreciate that people are wary of being seen as a "grass", but the actions of these scroats are not just a danger to the reputation of the club, but also the safety of a fellow supporters. If it all "kicks off" due to their stupidity, it's not necessarily those who want to be involved that are injured, but innocent bystanders. Remember Heysel?
According to a Bradford Telegraph and Argus report of 19th January, "Following the dispersal order issued earlier this week, a further dispersal order has been put in place in the Guiseley area. This comes after multiple reports of anti-social behaviour involving youths in and around Guiseley in recent days." I suspect the main protagonists aren't strangers at Nethermoor.
The problem seems locally endemic, and needs to be nipped in the bud now. Perhaps the youth membership scheme needs re-instating for next season, but for those up to 21-years-old.
Hi, I think the Club knows full well who these characters are. As BigJ alludes to, many of us including the Club turn a blind eye. I think you do have a point with the U21 Membership Scheme but suspect we will hear “kids are the future” argument, I would counter by saying “these kids aren’t”. And actually any of us who went to Alfreton will remember 2 very-much-grown-up “Guiseley fans” fighting amongst themselves. Unfortunately, the last few years have seen many unsavoury events and a bit like the UK Government and the COVID endemic, we (the Club) appear behind the curve as in too late to recognise an issue |
|
|
|
Post by colin19 on Apr 21, 2024 21:16:59 GMT 1
I think we all agree that the behaviour after the match was unacceptable. I think there is a tendency to confuse the current issue of occasional hordes of Andrew Tate infused schoolboys with football fans. They obviously aren’t - and would probably struggle to name any of the current squad. There is a general trend for gangs like this attaching to non-league clubs. It’s not a football issue in my view - especially when the club is proactively trying to exclude those seeking to cause trouble. Though I was surprised so many 15/16 year olds were grouped together yesterday. But, just because we are a football club it doesn’t mean that we are the problem. If these lads entered a cinema and kicked off in this way you wouldn’t hear people asking what the cinema were going to do about it, you’d be demanding that their parents, school, and police get on top of it. I understand Colin but whilst the club is not the problem, the club has the problem. Yesterday, the club allowed in approx 100 young kids/teens/adults who were there for not just the football. And this is where the club comes into criticism, we all know who these individuals are but we continue to let them in. And for as long as we do, then it becomes our problem…. I don’t think we are disagreeing to be honest. Though I’d while I’d agree it is a problem for the club it is not ‘our’ problem. On the specifics I was surprised that we had the number of unaccompanied under 16s. I also think there is a difficulty for any club in judging who will cause trouble, and who to exclude/kick out, before causing trouble to be fair. However the broader trend is not a football issue, it’s a parenting, smartphone, cultural problem. I just know that had I got up to these antics in my youth my folks would have consequences for me! |
|
|
|
Post by joshbgafc1 on Apr 21, 2024 21:51:35 GMT 1
Sad to say I’m pretty sure some of our younger fans - including one or two who post here - did in fact make fools of themselves at the corresponding away fixture. Hi nik assume you’re referring to me here. Yes I messed up away at FC united and it definitely hit me hard with the consequences. Feel like your comment could mislead some making it seem like I was violent at that specific game and that was not the case. Since then done nothing wrong and I go to the games specifically for the football and to catch up with our fans. I most definitely don’t go for violence or to cause stuff with opposition fans. Don’t want to come across as trying to defend my actions at that game, but didn’t want anyone getting the wrong idea. As for the game, a very good win and hopefully carry it on to the next season 👍 |
|
|
|
Post by Nik on Apr 21, 2024 22:05:57 GMT 1
I wasn’t at that game, Josh, so I don’t know a great deal about what went on, only that some fans from both clubs said they were concerned by some of what they saw from some Guiseley fans. But I’m all for making mistakes and learning - if that’s been your journey then good on you.
|
|
|
|
Post by Nik on Apr 21, 2024 22:12:31 GMT 1
Actually, that doesn’t go far enough - I specifically didn’t hear anyone talk about violence, so definitely didn’t mean to suggest that about you.
|
|
