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Post by AFootballFan on Sept 1, 2008 21:19:24 GMT 1
Tonight (Monday) and tomorrow has some very interesting games that promise to give us one or two insights as to how the league is settling down. Tonight at The Horsfall Stadium it's Park Avenue against FC United, and then tomorrow there are eight more games that should be pretty interesting, too... For a start we're up at Kendal (and best of luck again to the lads), and Ilkeston, who we haven't seen, are at Witton who, of course, we have. Whupped 'em well, in fact... Leigh are at home to Prescot, and there's a very interesting game over at Marine where they play the 'unknown' Nantwich Town. Eastwood are at Matlock where they could very well get beat and the other games are Hednesford v Buxton, The Camels v Ashton in another North West 'thriller'....and it's North Ferriby v Frickley in the only all ticket 'sell out' of the new season so far... It's pretty interesting to follow the scores on the following new season link: Don't know if you've seen this but you can follow all the scores on this new link: www.nonleaguefootballlive.com/vidiprinterThey only have non-league on there and there's a 'vidiprinter', too, to give you minute-by-minute scores of all the games... Let's hope we're a point or two clear by about bedtime tomorrow night...  |
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Post by theprisoner on Sept 1, 2008 22:48:10 GMT 1
I looked at the non-league vidiprinter after Saturday's game. There were no Unibond updates or scores and there was a notice saying something along the lines of that the league were not allowing them to update on UPL games. Along with the league chiefs stepping in to stop the filming of games at Nethermoor, it makes you wonder what on earth is going on. Don't the old men in suits want publicity for the league and it's clubs. My previous experience of this league with a certain other club down the road is that they poorly serve the very clubs that they are supposed to represent.
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Post by theprisoner on Sept 1, 2008 22:57:44 GMT 1
Avenue 2 (Patterson twice - Rory or Liam I know not) FCUM O. Avenue up to 3rd.
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Post by otleybard on Sept 2, 2008 0:10:06 GMT 1
I looked at the non-league vidiprinter after Saturday's game. There were no Unibond updates or scores and there was a notice saying something along the lines of that the league were not allowing them to update on UPL games. Along with the league chiefs stepping in to stop the filming of games at Nethermoor, it makes you wonder what on earth is going on. Don't the old men in suits want publicity for the league and it's clubs. My previous experience of this league with a certain other club down the road is that they poorly serve the very clubs that they are supposed to represent. Sadly, I fear it's not that they don't want fans to be kept informed, rather that they don't want fans to be kept informed in a way that the League itself cannot profit from financially. It's an attitude that has long pervaded the professional game, and one reason why many ex-Premiership and Football League fans are now queueing up for chips at Step 7 and below. It'd be nice to think that the suits and blazers had thought through the long-term ramifications of their policies, but somehow I doubt it. |
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Post by adambrid on Sept 2, 2008 9:04:29 GMT 1
Stupid unibond
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bruce
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Post by bruce on Sept 2, 2008 9:05:12 GMT 1
As one of the 'blazers' of our fine league I take exception to these flippant remarks which are made without a lot of thought or foundation.
The composition of the league management board ('the blazers')is of ten people from the clubs of our league (five from the Premier Div. & five from the First Div) , all are intent on maintaining the excellent manner in which this league is run and all are very very commited people with their clubs.
Any decisions they make have to be ratified by the other member clubs within this league at the annual meeting - the clubs therefore run the league and have agreed to any recommendations made by the 'blazers'.
And make no mistake this is a well run league, ask any our former clubs who have moved to other leagues.
Our sponsorship with Henkel , the parent company of Unibond is the longest running in football having commenced way back in 1994.
It is through the hard work of the 'blazers' that this relationship has enjoyed the longevity it has and our club has benefited from this very well over those 14 years.
The Unibond League has a very active marketing committee, who work tirelessly for the benefit of this league and have negociated a number of third party sponsorships which again all clubs in this leagu have benifited
The league have long made the clubs in this league aware of the procedures relating to filming of matches and the fact that we as a club chose not follow that procedure(I was not aware that we had arranged this)resulted in league taking the action it did until it was satisfied that its own position regarding filming,copyright etc. was not compromised. We now have the permission.
I am very proud and priviliged to be a member of this group of people, all of whom are very much football people who give up their free time willingly to put something back into the game that they have been passionately involved with for a very long time.
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Post by adambrid on Sept 2, 2008 9:06:20 GMT 1
Erm some of those words are very long what do they mean?
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Post by gordonchas on Sept 2, 2008 9:56:47 GMT 1
As one of the 'blazers' of our fine league I take exception to these flippant remarks which are made without a lot of thought or foundation. Bruce, perhaps you would then like to explain this? As I live way down south I can't get to any games so the new score service was a great innovation. I wrote to the contact on the Unibond league website (contact@unibondleague.com funnily enough), with this (I think) very polite email: "Can you please explain why it is necessary to prevent nonleaguefootballlive.com from informing fans of UniBond League teams about latest scores? This strikes me as a bizarre decision, most definitely not in the interests of either the league or supporters of its teams. I would be very interested to hear a justification for it." To my amazement I have received this reply, unsigned by the way: "Perhaps people should get out to the games and support non league football with their gate money rather than sit in front of their PC's on a Saturday afternoon." That was it. No mention of long-distance supporters or fans who want to know how their club is getting on away from home. The utter arrogance of this individual is breathtaking. Clearly the league has no comprehension about marketing or promotion, or even more importantly, simple good manners. Would you care to justify it? |
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Post by theprisoner on Sept 2, 2008 10:15:12 GMT 1
Bruce thanks for your response and explanation of how the league is run. I apologise for taking it too far in saying that the league poorly serves the clubs that it is supposed to represent. However I do think that acts such as apparently withdrawing permission to have updates on the non-league vidiprinter when all other leagues at this level are ok with it makes the league look overly bureaucratic (buy a dictionary Adam). Whether or not this is true you will know better than me.
Anyway my real grudge with the league goes back to the Spennymoor Utd fiasco which may well have been before you obtained your Unibond League blazer. I believe it was the FA who imposed the farcical awarding of 3 points to all clubs with whom who Spennymoor could not fulfil their remaining fixtures (an unimaginable decision if it were the Premiership or the League and one I do not think that they could repeat). However, I do think that the league should have more sensibly sorted the problem out during the season and not after it as Spennymoor were clearly not going to fulfil their fixtures long before the end of the season. In my opinion they should have been kicked out quicker and had their results expunged as has to my knowledge has always previously been the case in other leagues. The outcome made the season seem pointless and those that suffered, Farsley & Burscough, are no doubt glad that they eventually made in out of the Unibond. Anyway perhaps you have no involvement or interest in this issue. If you do then I would be glad to hear your views. After years of counselling and Farsley making it to the Conference I am gradually getting over the "Spennymoor Season" and beginning to rebuild my life.
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Post by andrew on Sept 2, 2008 11:33:55 GMT 1
We still don't have a reason why that website can't show the scores. I live in Newcastle so don't get to many games and I was looking forward to be able to find out the scores as they happen, but was disappointed to find that I couldn't. If Unibond league won't allow it then they should do one of their own, or atleast update their website quicker, I found the score on setanta sports news nearly an hour before it was put on the unibond site.
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Post by blue on Sept 2, 2008 12:38:15 GMT 1
Ditto the comments re the vidiprinter scores. I live in York and whilst that's not a million miles away, I don't get to as many games as in years past and certainly not to midweek away games.
Thank goodness for CDP although I hope he or she keeps their identity secret otherwise his/her brilliant and appreciated updates from games are likely to face the wrath of the league too.
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Post by otleybard on Sept 2, 2008 13:05:07 GMT 1
Bruce
Many thanks for taking the trouble to reply to our posts.
I can assure you that my own remarks, at least, were (for once) not intended to be flippant. As for their being made without a lot of thought or foundation, I'd point out in my defence that my own involvement in football administration began at the age of five, taking telephone messages for my Dad, a former Football League linesman, who was Referees' Appointment Secretary for the Leeds & District FA and later became its Chairman and a WRCFA Council member.
I became secretary of a West Yorkshire League team at the age of fifteen, and for many years was variously a player, secretary, manager, treasurer, fundraiser, press secretary and bottle washer to several local sides. I served on the Council of the Leeds Combination League, eventually becoming its Fixture Secretary, and on the Council of the Leeds and District, where I was appointed Playing Fields Secretary and later Assistant Secretary.
Apologies if the above sounds like a long-winded job application, but the point I'm struggling towards is this. During that time, I met, worked and drank with hundreds of fellow football administrators - the 'blazers' - nearly all unpaid save for nominal honoraria. Most of them were hard working, dedicated people, giving their time, effort and expertise for nothing other than 'putting something back' into football. I've nothing but admiration for their motives.
However, I have to admit to a parallel existence. I have also been a fan, standing on the terraces at Elland Road, Valley Parade and, since 1990, with increasing frequency at Nethermoor and numerous other non-league grounds, my only direct involvement being the handing over of cash at the turnstiles. And on many occasions, I feel as though that transaction is the only consideration we receive from certain quarters.
I have no doubt that the Unibond is in many ways a well-run league. I'm sure that now you've taken the trouble to explain it, most fans will understand and accept the league's stance on the filming issue, while whatever solution they'd come up with on the Spennymoor fiasco would have been unfair to someone. But I can well see why many fans feel ill served. For all the successes of the Marketing Committee in attracting sponsorship, I'd venture that what should be its principal aim, marketing the football to its 'core market', the fans, is often ignored. The distinctly-cavalier response to gordonchas's highly reasonable enquiry (an attitude I have similarly encountered from that quarter) would surely not be tolerated by any other organization in a competitive market.
As you say, the clubs run the league, and that relationship clearly works well. But I certainly think it's fair to say - as unflippantly as possible -that the relationship between the league and the people who support the clubs is in need of some attention.
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Post by adambrid on Sept 2, 2008 16:25:48 GMT 1
Whoever sent that email to you was in a bit of a mood
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Post by richard on Sept 2, 2008 19:19:27 GMT 1
As one of the 'blazers' of our fine league I take exception to these flippant remarks which are made without a lot of thought or foundation. Bruce, perhaps you would then like to explain this? As I live way down south I can't get to any games so the new score service was a great innovation. I wrote to the contact on the Unibond league website (contact@unibondleague.com funnily enough), with this (I think) very polite email: "Can you please explain why it is necessary to prevent nonleaguefootballlive.com from informing fans of UniBond League teams about latest scores? This strikes me as a bizarre decision, most definitely not in the interests of either the league or supporters of its teams. I would be very interested to hear a justification for it." To my amazement I have received this reply, unsigned by the way: "Perhaps people should get out to the games and support non league football with their gate money rather than sit in front of their PC's on a Saturday afternoon." That was it. No mention of long-distance supporters or fans who want to know how their club is getting on away from home. The utter arrogance of this individual is breathtaking. Clearly the league has no comprehension about marketing or promotion, or even more importantly, simple good manners. Would you care to justify it? Would be interested to know who the league e mailer is! R |
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Post by bigj on Sept 2, 2008 23:02:32 GMT 1
Just to clarify the issue of filming the matches; we are going back to the League with our proposals to obtain permission as the League guidelines in themsleves are open to interpretation.
I think Bruce's explanation removes some of the mystique surrounding the 'blazers' but as a League (in my opinion) they ought to be doing all that they can to entice anyone who follows Premiership and League football away from what is becoming an expensive product that is increasingly all about dosh.
The Unibond has a competitive league this season, with some new clubs, a new structure and some good grounds; added to that is the coverage of the NL game on the web and now two dedicated papers which means that the outlets for promoting the NL game have never been more prolific. The League - and the clubs for that matter - need to deliver a product for the 21st century entertainment industry 'cos there is undoubtedly money to be made.
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