matt
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Post by matt on Sept 6, 2023 8:07:54 GMT 1
This isn't good enough. I'm no football manager but think I'd get more out of this team than PP and O'Neil.
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Post by Nik on Sept 6, 2023 8:24:04 GMT 1
In 9 months nothing has changed for the better. I suspect nothing will change while O'Neill remains the power behind the throne. Why do you look to Russ rather than Paul as to why the team is so aggressive and playing like strangers? I’ve no horse here but isn’t Russ’ role limited to scouting and getting players lined up for the manager to choose from? If he was involved with coaching or running the team it’d be different? |
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Post by Nik on Sept 6, 2023 8:26:52 GMT 1
On reflection, I remember Matlock fans warning us last autumn that at some point things would disintegrate in a cloud of player signings and awful football, and I remember ignoring Barrow fans saying the same when we appointed Paul Cox.
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matt
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Post by matt on Sept 6, 2023 8:49:24 GMT 1
Don't mind a scout looking about for some talent, but it should be the Manager who chooses who signs. Not a fan of the modern way of 'Directors of Football' who pick and choose. If that's what happens.
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Post by danmartin on Sept 6, 2023 10:12:20 GMT 1
I haven't got a clue how the setup works, but Paul Phillips doesn't come across as a man who would have players foisted upon him that he didn't want, and although there was definitely too much churn in the final season, I don't recall O'Neill and Bignot shipping too many players out within weeks of signing them.
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Post by Nik on Sept 6, 2023 10:14:28 GMT 1
Don't mind a scout looking about for some talent, but it should be the Manager who chooses who signs. Not a fan of the modern way of 'Directors of Football' who pick and choose. If that's what happens. Do we know that the manager isn't choosing who signs? (And didn't we all agree that the squad was good anyway?) I don't have any knowledge as to how things work at the moment, but I would think that in a club as small as ours (in terms of staff) someone who can provide a bit of continuity between coaches would be a good thing to try. So long as we don't totally dismantle the squad now and rely on loans for the rest of the season, any decent manager could come in and work with the squad we have. |
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Post by ivor on Sept 6, 2023 12:10:47 GMT 1
As I understand it, Russ scouts for players to order. Most people seem to think we have a good squad, so I don't see any mileage in blaming Russ. The problems are on the pitch.
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Post by Nik on Sept 6, 2023 12:18:38 GMT 1
Don't mind a scout looking about for some talent, but it should be the Manager who chooses who signs. Not a fan of the modern way of 'Directors of Football' who pick and choose. If that's what happens. Do we know that the manager isn't choosing who signs? (And didn't we all agree that the squad was good anyway?) I don't have any knowledge as to how things work at the moment, but I would think that in a club as small as ours (in terms of staff) someone who can provide a bit of continuity between coaches would be a good thing to try. So long as we don't totally dismantle the squad now and rely on loans for the rest of the season, any decent manager could come in and work with the squad we have. Just to be clear - I mean continuity for the organisation and someone known to the players. I don’t mean continuity in terms of interim management - Dave Currie and whoever’s left of the outgoing setup has been able to do that perfectly well previously. |
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Post by rallyman on Sept 6, 2023 12:30:12 GMT 1
As I said on the radio chat during the game, we've got Bamber Bridge in 3 days time, but as Atherton are through to 2nd round of FA Cup, we have a blank day on Sat 16th with the next game being Sat 23rd at home to Ashton. If measures were to be taken by the board, (and I'm one for saying is this too early in the season ?), it would seem the time to make that sort of decision when there is a two week gap between games.
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Post by mrsann on Sept 6, 2023 13:49:26 GMT 1
I'm sorry rallyman but a change of manager really cannot come soon enough.
There is something not right somewhere at Guiseley at the moment.
I suggest the directors when they are walking by take a good look at what are the home supporters stands.
Empty rows not just seats with names still on them,these are seats of past staunch Guiseley season ticket holders who over last season and most certainly this have just given up.
They don't like the style of play and the lack of consistent performances and have voted with their feet and their money.
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Post by cdp on Sept 6, 2023 14:22:21 GMT 1
I'm sorry rallyman but a change of manager really cannot come soon enough. There is something not right somewhere at Guiseley at the moment. I suggest the directors when they are walking by take a good look at what are the home supporters stands. Empty rows not just seats with names still on them,these are seats of past staunch Guiseley season ticket holders who over last season and most certainly this have just given up. They don't like the style of play and the lack of consistent performances and have voted with their feet and their money. Totally agree - decisive action needed now - put Dave Currie in charge on Saturday, a free hit as we would almost certainly have lost under Phillips and then there is two weeks to find and appoint a new manager assuming 16 Sep is a free Saturday - simple. All we need is some leadership - that’s what the Board is there to do. |
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Post by rallyman on Sept 6, 2023 14:35:44 GMT 1
I'm sorry rallyman but a change of manager really cannot come soon enough. There is something not right somewhere at Guiseley at the moment. I suggest the directors when they are walking by take a good look at what are the home supporters stands. Empty rows not just seats with names still on them,these are seats of past staunch Guiseley season ticket holders who over last season and most certainly this have just given up. They don't like the style of play and the lack of consistent performances and have voted with their feet and their money. Take your words for stand empty seats as I tend to stand behind the goals. Also accept crowds are lower than expected especially the BPA & Marine games, so expect you are right regarding people standing away. My only thoughts were that Mr PP has been "unlucky" with injuries and to some extent bans, (although accept this could be down to style of play), hence would it be fair to give him a chance once the majority of players are back for selection ? I don't know. Rallyman |
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Post by danmartin on Sept 6, 2023 14:50:54 GMT 1
He'd have at least 2 more players at his disposal if he hadn't already binned off Conway and Dyche.
He's had a fair chance. He's been here nearly a year and has changed the entire squad probably 2 or 3 times over, and things are worse than when he arrived.
If he was trying to play the right way but getting poor results then I'd back him, but he's not. He's playing horrible football and not even grinding out dull 0-0s.
There are some good players there, but I don't think you can point to any individual and say "it'll all be fine when X is back". It won't. It'll still be horrible, he'll just have better quality players booting the ball into the sky for 90 minutes.
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Post by Nik on Sept 6, 2023 14:51:51 GMT 1
I'm sorry rallyman but a change of manager really cannot come soon enough. There is something not right somewhere at Guiseley at the moment. I suggest the directors when they are walking by take a good look at what are the home supporters stands. Empty rows not just seats with names still on them,these are seats of past staunch Guiseley season ticket holders who over last season and most certainly this have just given up. They don't like the style of play and the lack of consistent performances and have voted with their feet and their money. Take your words for stand empty seats as I tend to stand behind the goals. Also accept crowds are lower than expected especially the BPA & Marine games, so expect you are right regarding people standing away. My only thoughts were that Mr PP has been "unlucky" with injuries and to some extent bans, (although accept this could be down to style of play), hence would it be fair to give him a chance once the majority of players are back for selection ? I don't know. Rallyman Want to agree... but wasn't that the start of the season though? Only CMW and Prince were unavailable and they can't be the only reason you could drive a cart and horses and two static caravans through our defence? Our only attacking plans were drop it on Denton's head (he is now out of favour) or play it in behind for Johnson (who is unsurprisingly injured having been overused after a long time out of the game). |
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Post by leftwinger on Sept 6, 2023 16:00:43 GMT 1
The owners/directors have the final say over the position of Lions’ manager. In the first programme of the season, the Chair/part-owner firmly tied his colours to the ‘PP mast’ by saying, (regarding players leaving/arriving) “It won’t be like last season this year. (Re: new personnel/his expectations.)” That was always a highly optimistic statement to make, and not a good one to go out on a limb for without evidence. The Chair may well have cause to regret it now and certainly it going into print. For all directors/owners who choose to replace a football manager there is a degree of losing face. (They picked him, he didn’t match up!) However, The manager takes the fall not the selection committee! But, for our chair that comment in the programme is a ‘wince’ moment, and not one to explain away easily.
Listening to PP’s after match interview last night, he basically tried to build up the positives (there were some in the first half) and even said, “We could have been out of sight” if all the early chances in last night’s game had been taken. But, you could often say this in many matches. There will be a ratio of goals scored to goal-scoring situations created, and for some who are statistically minded (‘Stattos’) this might be of interest and worth. And yes, you need to be making chances to score. But, finally the only two stats that really count are ‘goals scored’ and ‘goals conceded’. And we seem to concede too many, compared to chances made, whether they’re converted or not. In addition, he questioned the red card for Tom Denton (as he did a previous red card.) It can sound like clutching at straws, as the interviewer invariably tries to bowl his comments and questions ‘underarm’ to the manager. But, the question might be, now, which straw will break the camel’s back!
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