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Post by andyhaines on Nov 22, 2022 21:38:25 GMT 1
This does seem odd in terms of how the decision happened and was announced. To me it sounds like something has happened internally that prompted the move rather than be a regulation firing of a poorly performing manager. Possibly some form of disagreement. The truth is, we don't know what has gone on an.
I would say, Danny bought poorly in the summer and we haven't played well this season. We've come off the back off two awful home defeats to average opposition. Harsh to sack him and as I say there is probably more to it but hardly a disgrace.
There also sound like there are suggestions that it's because he objected to player sales, I mean... which ones. We sold two players who weren't starting. The fact we got a fee implies they were contracted, which means they were drawing a wage irrespective of whether they played or not so moving them on makes sense. Only Johnson was sold as a starting player but I understood that was due to him wanting to be closer to home.
I know it's not been a good week to be a Guiseley fan but maybe we need to get a sense of perspective.
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Post by Nik on Nov 22, 2022 21:58:48 GMT 1
starting to wonder now if the owners will just use the club to generate income for themselves. Look we’re all shocked that Danny’s gone but come on - there’s no money to be made from owning a football club, unless you have a bottomless pot of TV money and a gigantic commercial arm. |
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Post by ivor on Nov 22, 2022 23:34:00 GMT 1
This does seem odd in terms of how the decision happened and was announced. To me it sounds like something has happened internally that prompted the move rather than be a regulation firing of a poorly performing manager. Possibly some form of disagreement. The truth is, we don't know what has gone on an. I would say, Danny bought poorly in the summer and we haven't played well this season. We've come off the back off two awful home defeats to average opposition. Harsh to sack him and as I say there is probably more to it but hardly a disgrace. There also sound like there are suggestions that it's because he objected to player sales, I mean... which ones. We sold two players who weren't starting. The fact we got a fee implies they were contracted, which means they were drawing a wage irrespective of whether they played or not so moving them on makes sense. Only Johnson was sold as a starting player but I understood that was due to him wanting to be closer to home. I know it's not been a good week to be a Guiseley fan but maybe we need to get a sense of perspective. Some fair points Andy but it's worth remembering that when Danny took over we had 2 experienced players Players had to be signed in haste. We had a bad week with 3 defeats but then won at Warrington. Strange timing |
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Post by andyhaines on Nov 22, 2022 23:52:25 GMT 1
This does seem odd in terms of how the decision happened and was announced. To me it sounds like something has happened internally that prompted the move rather than be a regulation firing of a poorly performing manager. Possibly some form of disagreement. The truth is, we don't know what has gone on an. I would say, Danny bought poorly in the summer and we haven't played well this season. We've come off the back off two awful home defeats to average opposition. Harsh to sack him and as I say there is probably more to it but hardly a disgrace. There also sound like there are suggestions that it's because he objected to player sales, I mean... which ones. We sold two players who weren't starting. The fact we got a fee implies they were contracted, which means they were drawing a wage irrespective of whether they played or not so moving them on makes sense. Only Johnson was sold as a starting player but I understood that was due to him wanting to be closer to home. I know it's not been a good week to be a Guiseley fan but maybe we need to get a sense of perspective. Some fair points Andy but it's worth remembering that when Danny took over we had 2 experienced players Players had to be signed in haste. We had a bad week with 3 defeats but then won at Warrington. Strange timing I completely agree and I did say I thought it was harsh. I would say, why appoint a young inexperienced manager if you aren't going to give them time to learn the trade. We aren't in any immediate danger of relegation so why not give him time. That said, we're at the tail end of November and lets be frank.. we haven't been good enough this season. My comments are mainly from the perspective that this thread is incredibly antagonistic to the board with all sorts of things being levelled. I'd say.. he's a football manager not winning games and he's just lost two at home. He's going to be in danger. |
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Post by bee on Nov 23, 2022 12:41:18 GMT 1
And why do you think this thread is incredibly antagonistic to the board ? Just read through the thread again and you'll get your answer !
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Post by matt on Nov 23, 2022 14:39:56 GMT 1
And why do you think this thread is incredibly antagonistic to the board ? Just read through the thread again and you'll get your answer ! I'm sure the board (owners) are big enough, and have been successful enough in business to brush aside a few negative comments. Hopefully they transfer some of that success to the field. They have done in the past. They have been thwarted by the council countless times with regards to improving facilities during their two tenures. |
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Post by andyhaines on Nov 23, 2022 15:18:50 GMT 1
And why do you think this thread is incredibly antagonistic to the board ? Just read through the thread again and you'll get your answer ! I've read it through again as you suggest and the reason is literally that people like Danny as a person and as a player. This is fine but he took the choice to become manager when the opportunity was offered and the reality is that being a good player and person won't protect if the results aren't coming. The fact is we are three points from the relegation zone and show no signs of turning that round. I don't remember any comprehensive performances in wins or draws/defeats where I really felt we deserved much more than we got. I personally feel he should have been given longer and if the board wanted an oven ready manager they should have hired one. I also have felt massively disappointed this season. Like many of us I was really excited by Danny as a manager but I have increasingly felt going to games is a chore and we've not even hit the freezing cold winter night games. We had a good run in October but it's fallen flat on it's face and those two home defeats in four days were as bad as anything at the worst last season. Recruitment has been a mess with the main successes being where Danny signed up his mates, that's not a bottomless pool. I'm not arguing they made the right decision to sack him. I'm saying that it's hardly a disgrace that they chose to do so. |
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Post by adambrid on Nov 23, 2022 18:23:46 GMT 1
An update has tonight been issued by Gary Douglas: Given the social media reaction around the sacking of Danny Ellis, I felt it necessary to provide not only clarification on this, but an update on the playing/managing/recruitment front as a whole. As happens when any significant change is made in staffing at a football club accusations and fingers are pointed and there seems to always be a need to blame someone. The Board’s decision to part company with Danny Ellis was obviously based on many factors and not least of all the results on the pitch. There seems to be various accusations regarding Russ O’Neill’s involvement with Danny leaving, for some context the Board were speaking to and trying to get Russ back involved in a recruitment/advisory role well before he accepted the role. Prior to Russ finally accepting the role he was adamant he wanted Danny’s full backing before he committed himself, which he got. We as a board felt it was necessary to make this decision without input from Russ as he had no part in the initial appointment of Danny and we deemed it unfair, Russ gave Danny his full backing right up to the last minutes of his tenure so to suggest he had any involvement in the decision to part ways with him couldn’t be further from the truth. Russ was brought in to be in charge of recruitment, and he is doing exceptionally well for us in that regard since his arrival, there is no plan now or in the future for Russ to be coming back into a team management role, that is neither his, nor the Board’s desire. As a club our goal since relegation last season has been to get back into the National League North, we understood it may not have been this season, but we needed as a minimum to establish a team of players and staff that could make it a reality for next season. This relied on Danny growing into his position as Manager and we as a board didn’t see this being a possibility based on current progress. When Danny was appointed it was always a gamble on his and the Club’s part, he’s a first time Manager and he was not fully aware of the intricacies and time that is required to excel in the role, Danny has admitted this himself. We hoped that with the help of his management team and Russ on the recruitment side this would allow Danny enough time to focus on the other duties of management. This could be blamed on a failing on our part to have put Danny in a position that, due to the short timescale, was a very difficult proposition and we accept that. Our interim management team have the full backing of the board to take charge of the team whilst we assess our options going forward. We hope that they can be successful both on and off the pitch during this period. Recruitment is another area I feel I as chairman and we as a club should provide an update on. There has been a large turnover of players this season, larger than we would have liked in all honesty, but we feel the more recent additions have improved the team. We continue to try strengthen but continually find ourselves getting into auctions for players that several other clubs are interested in. The playing budget was set at a higher level than the one which saw us relegated last season, yet we’re finding the competition for signings is even stronger now. We, led by our Sporting Director Russ O’Neill, will continue our efforts to not only attract players to the club but strengthen ties with Football League clubs which will benefit us in the long term. Gary Link to article: guiseleyafc.co.uk/chairmans-update-on-playing-managing-recruitment-front/AB |
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Post by Nik on Nov 23, 2022 18:51:21 GMT 1
And why do you think this thread is incredibly antagonistic to the board ? Just read through the thread again and you'll get your answer ! I've read it through again as you suggest and the reason is literally that people like Danny as a person and as a player. This is fine but he took the choice to become manager when the opportunity was offered and the reality is that being a good player and person won't protect if the results aren't coming. The fact is we are three points from the relegation zone and show no signs of turning that round. I don't remember any comprehensive performances in wins or draws/defeats where I really felt we deserved much more than we got. I personally feel he should have been given longer and if the board wanted an oven ready manager they should have hired one. I also have felt massively disappointed this season. Like many of us I was really excited by Danny as a manager but I have increasingly felt going to games is a chore and we've not even hit the freezing cold winter night games. We had a good run in October but it's fallen flat on it's face and those two home defeats in four days were as bad as anything at the worst last season. Recruitment has been a mess with the main successes being where Danny signed up his mates, that's not a bottomless pool. I'm not arguing they made the right decision to sack him. I'm saying that it's hardly a disgrace that they chose to do so. A string of very fair and pragmatic posts, if you don't mind me saying. You did cheat a little by saving your first post until Tuesday night.  I was thinking that on your first point, yeah - basically no manager except Ferguson leaves on their own terms. It's horrible when someone you respect and admire goes, whether it's a sudden shock or drawn out and saddening. But it does happen to every manager. |
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Post by mrsann on Nov 23, 2022 19:15:27 GMT 1
I agree managers get sacked in football and a few see it coming and ultimately it is a decision for the board.
But can I just raise a couple of points,it came on the back of Saturday and all that hurt and disappointment we true Guiseley supporters felt,and that made it more difficult to understand as we had progressed to the next round after a hard fought game.
The statement regarding how the perpetrators are being dealt with was welcome.
Second point,the statement today does cover a lot of the points fans have been discussing and is also welcome but can I respectfully say,it is reactive and could just as easily been made at the time of Danny's sacking and would have negated a lot of disappointment and suspicion felt as to motives.
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Post by bigj on Nov 23, 2022 19:37:09 GMT 1
I agree managers get sacked in football and a few see it coming and ultimately it is a decision for the board. But can I just raise a couple of points,it came on the back of Saturday and all that hurt and disappointment we true Guiseley supporters felt,and that made it more difficult to understand as we had progressed to the next round after a hard fought game. The statement regarding how the perpetrators are being dealt with was welcome. Second point,the statement today does cover a lot of the points fans have been discussing and is also welcome but can I respectfully say,it is reactive and could just as easily been made at the time of Danny's sacking and would have negated a lot of disappointment and suspicion felt as to motives. [/q] Alex Ferguson left Man Utd with an ageing team which is why they have struggled to build another side despite going through several managers. Which just shows that even with unlimited resources this management lark is not as easy as it looks and down at our level it must be even more difficult. |
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Post by joshbgafc1 on Nov 23, 2022 20:42:43 GMT 1
Interesting what Danny has commented on the twitter post, apparently Gary didn’t even show up to sack him, and that the whole statement is lies because they are scared of losing russ. Board have messed up awfully here and my confidence going forward is very little.
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Post by netherfieldlion on Nov 23, 2022 21:03:38 GMT 1
Statement seems more concerned with justifying Russ Oneills involvement - bizarre
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Post by troll on Nov 23, 2022 21:27:33 GMT 1
Towards the end of last season I heard that one of the board was championing Russ O'Neill to be manager this season. Then they find him a role in the club. And now the directors come out stating how much they like O'Neill.
It's no surprise people have been joining the dots.
Danny's Twitter comment is pretty damning.
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Post by feldm3ister on Nov 23, 2022 21:37:10 GMT 1
Russ O'Neil and Bignot oversaw a shocking series of results during their tenure, possibly the worst in the history. I just don't get what O'Neil can contribute to the future of the club. Never have I been so disillusioned with GAFC. With Danny at the helm, the feelgood factor had returned, entertaining football had returned and a sense of identity with it. The 'statement' suggests Danny was in agreement with the board's decision. Either he is lying or Douglas is. Somehow I feel that the latter is more likely. This is a new low
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