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Post by ivor on Jan 28, 2023 20:43:11 GMT 1
A stronger police presence might cost a bit in the short term but prove a wise investment over the longer term
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Post by Nik on Jan 28, 2023 20:59:14 GMT 1
I just hate it all. I find it every bit as upsetting as a relegation fight. The kids and their ringleaders are putting off fans and will very soon be taking the money needed to develop the ground and squad. I don’t know what else to say. I’ve never seen that at a football ground and never before felt like I was in an unsafe setting at Nethermoor.
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Post by Nik on Jan 28, 2023 21:02:47 GMT 1
(Football - we were slow to get into the game but would’ve held our own with eleven players I think - wish that was the talking point)
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Post by grassroot on Jan 28, 2023 21:08:28 GMT 1
Regarding the use of a sin bin in football to punish dissent directed to referees—in 2019 the FA began a trial iinvolving all football matches between clubs in leagues affiliated at level 7 and below.This was officially described as temporary dismissal (sin bin) for a period of10 mins starting when play is restarted after the offence.I have seen this new rule in action at Ilkley Town matches and it works very well. Since this came into force there has been a positive reaction from clubs players and referees with a significant reduction in dissent offences throughout the leagues involved.It seems only a matter of time before this will be recommended by the FA to apply at all levels.
I was at the match today and found the atmosphere very disturbing .Both teams gave their all in a hard fought game which would have been enjoyed if it wasn’t for the mindless behaviour of the group of young “fans” who latched on to the club last season with things deteriorating rapidly to the totally unacceptable level as displayed recently and today. They don’t appreciate that since 2014 the FA have made clubs subject to “total liability” for actions of supporters within the confines of the. ground AND it’s surroundings.This includes damage to property and injuries to the public.If such incidents are grounds for legal action against the club and damages are awarded it could mean financial ruin. I think a sturdily constructed sign making this perfectly clear should be. placed in each turnstile area so everyone who enters the ground can’t fail to see it.
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Post by matt on Jan 28, 2023 21:18:38 GMT 1
Regarding the use of a sin bin in football to punish dissent directed to referees—in 2019 the FA began a trial iinvolving all football matches between clubs in leagues affiliated at level 7 and below.This was officially described as temporary dismissal (sin bin) for a period of10 mins starting when play is restarted after the offence.I have seen this new rule in action at Ilkley Town matches and it works very well. Since this came into force there has been a positive reaction from clubs players and referees with a significant reduction in dissent offences throughout the leagues involved.It seems only a matter of time before this will be recommended by the FA to apply at all levels. I was at the match today and found the atmosphere very disturbing .Both teams gave their all in a hard fought game which would have been enjoyed if it wasn’t for the mindless behaviour of the group of young “fans” who latched on to the club last season with things deteriorating rapidly to the totally unacceptable level as displayed recently and today. They don’t appreciate that since 2014 the FA have made clubs subject to “total liability” for actions of supporters within the confines of the. ground AND it’s surroundings.This includes damage to property and injuries to the public.If such incidents are grounds for legal action against the club and damages are awarded it could mean financial ruin. I think a sturdily constructed sign making this perfectly clear should be. placed in each turnstile area so everyone who enters the ground can’t fail to see it. Given their lunacy I’m not sure any of them can read. |
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Post by danmartin on Jan 28, 2023 21:30:45 GMT 1
A lot of them may have started coming last season but an obnoxious group have been there since the conference premier days.
Something has to be done, but it shouldn't be something that spoils the experience for everyone else. Part of the attraction of non-league is the lack of segregation and the ability to have a drink during the match. If those things are taken away then there's a lot less reason to attend. Likewise, putting the price up for children would put off families from attending (though no doubt they are already). Increased policing might help, but I don't think any of them have actually done anything criminal so the effect would be limited. Maybe just a blanket ban on those stupid hoods with goggles in.
On the pitch, I thought Guiseley were well in it until the sending off, but the right back was clearly struggling and should have been subbed off before he was sent off. That one's on the manager and I don't know what Boateng has done wrong, but I don't think we'd have lost that with him playing.
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Post by adambrid on Jan 28, 2023 21:35:58 GMT 1
As other comments above today was a tough test with 11 men that was only made harder when we went down to 10.
We started well though with Whitham having the first meaningful effort of the game when he showed good skill but his shot sailed wide.
After 20 minutes we were in front, Murphy was tripped in the box and the ref pointed to the spot, Whitham stepped up but saw his penalty saved before Chippendale smash home the rebound.
A few minutes later though Hyde equalised through Russ when he beat Meppen-Walters and fired past Mason.
Up the other end straight after Cassidy did all the hard work before his shot cannoned off the post, really unlucky from the striker.
With five minutes left Hassan-Smith was dismissed after pulling down Redshaw.
What happened next was confusing to say the least, the ref gave a free kick but then suddenly changed his mind and pointed to the spot despite no further communication with his officials.
Redshaw made no mistake from the spot and put his side in front.
Then when leaving the field at HT Paul Phillips also saw red.
Hyde definitely started the second half on top and Tongue forced Mason into a good save.
Redshaw was the visitors' danger man and Mason had to stop him twice from putting his side two goals up.
Tongue saw a volley drop just wide but he made no mistake two minutes later when his powerful drive flashed past Mason into the net.
We struggled to really get in the game after that but Adam Haw made a good spell of pressure count with a shot from outside the area which eventually crossed the line.
It proved to be the last meaningful effort though with Hyde taking the points back to Manchester.
A good performance especially when you consider we played with 10 men for so long.
Onto Marske away on Saturday.
Come on Guiseley!
AB
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Post by matt on Jan 28, 2023 21:37:38 GMT 1
A lot of them may have started coming last season but an obnoxious group have been there since the conference premier days. Something has to be done, but it shouldn't be something that spoils the experience for everyone else. Part of the attraction of non-league is the lack of segregation and the ability to have a drink during the match. If those things are taken away then there's a lot less reason to attend. Likewise, putting the price up for children would put off families from attending (though no doubt they are already). Increased policing might help, but I don't think any of them have actually done anything criminal so the effect would be limited. Maybe just a blanket ban on those stupid hoods with goggles in. On the pitch, I thought Guiseley were well in it until the sending off, but the right back was clearly struggling and should have been subbed off before he was sent off. That one's on the manager and I don't know what Boateng has done wrong, but I don't think we'd have lost that with him playing. Dont really agree re the alcohol bit. The attraction of going to a football match is watching the football. Not popping in and out of the bar every 15 minutes. I’ve not seen this happen at any club at a similar level. Have a drink after the game. Get fed up of people walking around when trying to watch the game. Unfortunately we now have to segregate as theirs no other option due to those fools. |
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Post by danmartin on Jan 28, 2023 21:44:31 GMT 1
A lot of them may have started coming last season but an obnoxious group have been there since the conference premier days. Something has to be done, but it shouldn't be something that spoils the experience for everyone else. Part of the attraction of non-league is the lack of segregation and the ability to have a drink during the match. If those things are taken away then there's a lot less reason to attend. Likewise, putting the price up for children would put off families from attending (though no doubt they are already). Increased policing might help, but I don't think any of them have actually done anything criminal so the effect would be limited. Maybe just a blanket ban on those stupid hoods with goggles in. On the pitch, I thought Guiseley were well in it until the sending off, but the right back was clearly struggling and should have been subbed off before he was sent off. That one's on the manager and I don't know what Boateng has done wrong, but I don't think we'd have lost that with him playing. Dont really agree re the alcohol bit. The attraction of going to a football match is watching the football. Not popping in and out of the bar every 15 minutes. I’ve not seen this happen at any club at a similar level. Have a drink after the game. Get fed up of people walking around when trying to watch the game. Unfortunately we now have to segregate as theirs no other option due to those fools. But that's a problem with people again, not the fact that drinking is allowed. There's no reason someone can't buy a drink before the game and drink it during the first half whilst watching the match. Then they can get another at half time and not have to down it inside 15 minutes (or 5 by the time they've been served). The fact that you've not seen it happen at other clubs shows that it's the people who are the problem. |
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Post by whoputthebootin on Jan 28, 2023 21:54:42 GMT 1
Tonight I am utterly ashamed to be a Guiseley Supporter, for the second home game running we have had to put up with these morons ruining the Clubs reputation, I was sat in the stand with Hyde Supporters all around me and witnessed a young girl around 7-8, the daughter of a Hyde Supporter who was hit in the face by an object thrown at her, I found myself apologising for the behaviour and for our Clubs total inept reaction to deal with the situation.
These points need looking into urgently
In the Clubs press release on how they were going to manage the situation going forward, the following was stated
Stewarding- the Club will increase the number of stewards, this was clearly not the case today, why do they persist with the company they are using? Time and time again they prove they are not up to the job, only thing I can think of is they are cheap, if this is true putting cost before supporter safety is not on.
There will be a police presence - now I know this will depend on various factors including availability I am also aware there was a right wing demonstration in Leeds they were policing today, but the four who turned up a long time after looked like they were on a days Jollies, not the club's fault I know but it's the truth
Anyone under 18 must pre-purchase a ticket and be accompanied by an adult - this did not totally happen, how the hell did these idiots get in?, surely when the ground regulations are changed the Club should be ready to actively enforce their new regulations, this was a total failure by the club and they should own this.
It is not OK to make a grand statement then not fulfill it.
Moving on to the actual day, when the youths gathered next to the George Stocks stand, this should have raised alarm bells, it was like they were putting two fingers up to the Club, when Hyde presumably won the toss and turned us around did no one at the club again think the Hyde Supporters would move to either the George Stocks stand or behind the goal Hyde were attacking and due to been vocal pre-game was a potential flash point? If not, why not?, during the game there was liquid, bottles and other items thrown across into the Hyde Supporters, with just two stewards trying to deal with it, I cannot verify the follwing as I have only read the account on twitter from a Hyde supporter, the final straw was when one of the Hyde supporters was dragged into the Youths with around 15 of them hitting him, then the Hyde Supporters charged at them scattering the youths behind the goal, ending up with trouble up to the ladies toilets where the young girl was hit by an object, the Hyde fans had enough and while not condoning their behaviour I can understand it after the abuse they took and objects thrown at them,again this was a total abject failure of the Club, was anyone monitoring the situation? Making any sort of decisions before the main incident, you know something sensible like moving the youths behind the goal away from the Hyde fans.
Today the atmosphere was toxic and not what the club was built on, we are regularly called the scum of the league on social media now and it will be a long old haul to gain our family friendly club status again.
I have followed this club home and away religiously for over 10 years now, have made some wonderful friends and met some wonderful supporters on my travels and even I am thinking I have had enough, if the club fails to act decisively with these problem youths and make Nethermoor the friendly place it once was again I'm gone.
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Post by matt on Jan 28, 2023 22:00:50 GMT 1
Dont really agree re the alcohol bit. The attraction of going to a football match is watching the football. Not popping in and out of the bar every 15 minutes. I’ve not seen this happen at any club at a similar level. Have a drink after the game. Get fed up of people walking around when trying to watch the game. Unfortunately we now have to segregate as theirs no other option due to those fools. But that's a problem with people again, not the fact that drinking is allowed. There's no reason someone can't buy a drink before the game and drink it during the first half whilst watching the match. Then they can get another at half time and not have to down it inside 15 minutes (or 5 by the time they've been served). The fact that you've not seen it happen at other clubs shows that it's the people who are the problem. Dont disagree. My point is that an increasing number attending (including the youth element) seem to have no interest in what’s happening on the pitch. |
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Post by ivor on Jan 28, 2023 22:01:08 GMT 1
Dont really agree re the alcohol bit. The attraction of going to a football match is watching the football. Not popping in and out of the bar every 15 minutes. I’ve not seen this happen at any club at a similar level. Have a drink after the game. Get fed up of people walking around when trying to watch the game. Unfortunately we now have to segregate as theirs no other option due to those fools. But that's a problem with people again, not the fact that drinking is allowed. There's no reason someone can't buy a drink before the game and drink it during the first half whilst watching the match. Then they can get another at half time and not have to down it inside 15 minutes (or 5 by the time they've been served). The fact that you've not seen it happen at other clubs shows that it's the people who are the problem. Re: criminality Conduct likely to lead to a breach of the peace I think 2 or 3 arrests would be a significant deterrent |
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Post by mrsann on Jan 28, 2023 22:01:21 GMT 1
What used to be lively banter between home and away fans for some reason has vanished and a mutual respect for and enjoyment of the game the great levelling factor has been lost.
Is it about money,winning at any price or just that life and society is tougher and mutual respect for each other an old fashioned concept.
As a local family club we have to ensure that we hold tight to that adage now by any means necessary.
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Post by bigj on Jan 28, 2023 22:36:42 GMT 1
Club has to get a grip of this problem not just let the stewards keep an eye on the morons while they hurl missiles at visiting supporters. First start by banning all under 18's unless accompanied by an adult and then make sure any under 18's that get it can't buy any alcohol as many clearly did today. Also get the stewards back who also do bouncer duties at the pubs and nighclubs as they didn't used to put up with any nonsense.
Playing away is also an issue as witnessed by the idiots that turned up midweek at Thackley, what the answer is to this I don't know but a solution needs to be found quickly before the FA impose sanctions on the club.
On the field I'd question why we have signed a right back on loan that can't even make it to halftime when we have a perfectly good full back in Kwame Boateng sat on the bench?
As regards the sendings off Hyde provoked us and we reacted simple as, gamesmanship at it's most efective I would say.
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Post by ivor on Jan 28, 2023 22:41:37 GMT 1
Such behavior is not a widespread problem at this level so it can't just be a general social problem. I don't know why these malicious thugs have attached themselves to us but it is now our problem
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