matt
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Post by matt on Jan 29, 2023 18:11:10 GMT 1
Yes, pay on the gate on have to be accompanied if under 16. Stewarded before the turnstiles to avoid long queues.
Last comment from me on this debacle. Mentioned what went on to a mate this morning. He tells me that this is becoming common at a number of clubs. Small groups of teenagers forming their own pathetic ‘ultra’ groups in an attempt to get fame on social media, particularly TikTok.
Apparently there are many groups that chase some sort of social media ‘glory’ by this activity. It’s becoming a trend.
Not sure what the world has come to!
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Post by deejayrobertson on Jan 29, 2023 18:18:39 GMT 1
I understand this but it really is more simple. In the old days, you used to get refused access to the NightClub unless you had the right shoes etc. In our case, these youngun’ make no effort to conform. And the clobber they wear makes them stand out like the proverbial sore thumb. Thus, If we move back to “pay-on-the gate” and have strong enough security they could easily be turned away simply based on their look. And the look is important to these youngun’s. None of the “good kids” are wearing the same clothes. As DJ rightly says, they will soon get bored and move on. We just need to be a little firmer in who we let in….. But can you turn people away on that basis legally? If so, by all means let's try The catch all phrase in the terms and conditions of entry is ‘The Club reserve the right to refuse admission’. |
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Post by MrP on Jan 29, 2023 20:20:56 GMT 1
But can you turn people away on that basis legally? If so, by all means let's try The catch all phrase in the terms and conditions of entry is ‘The Club reserve the right to refuse admission’. Exactly. And what could happen. The parents take the club to the small claims court and the club uses video and social media footage as their argument |
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Post by plasticman on Jan 29, 2023 20:27:33 GMT 1
I would welcome a response from someone proficient with the law to offer an opinion. Currently, I suspect the problem is that while the stewards are entitled to eject any nuisance from the ground, they are not legally entitled to require them to provide any additional information such as names and addresses, or be allowed to photograph them, especially if they are under-16.
It is difficult for an adult to remonstrate with these youths. One word or, heavens forbid, a finger out of place, and the adult could potentially find themselves in serious trouble.
I strongly suspect you can turn away people from private property for whatever reason you wish, clothing or otherwise. Bouncers in my youth seemed to be quite creative. You can dictate who you let into your house. While it is a good suggestion, the problem with trying to identify unwanted attendees by way of their branded clothing is that is quite subjective. Trying to identify people from photos at the turnstiles is also not easy.
There are clearly a lot of decent kids who are foolishly trying to seek acceptance with more popular kids, who are in turn their best trying to be "hard men", and failing abjectly. Who are they going to get run by next? A firm from Batley Girls High School?
I'd love to see a Monty Python-esque approach to deflating these scroats' egos. (My preferred option of surgically removing body parts in a similar manner as to how new born male lambs and naughty male puppies are sorted out, would probably be frowned upon these days. It's ruddy health and safety gone mad again!). Perhaps there could be something near the turnstile that all young males fear - a line of young ladies disparagingly commenting on the lack of stature and physique of our ultras, and their general overall uselessness, though praising them for their sprinting speed away from trouble that they initiated.
I'll leave the rest up to your imaginations...
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Post by MrP on Jan 29, 2023 20:40:48 GMT 1
Yes, pay on the gate on have to be accompanied if under 16. Stewarded before the turnstiles to avoid long queues. Last comment from me on this debacle. Mentioned what went on to a mate this morning. He tells me that this is becoming common at a number of clubs. Small groups of teenagers forming their own pathetic ‘ultra’ groups in an attempt to get fame on social media, particularly TikTok. Apparently there are many groups that chase some sort of social media ‘glory’ by this activity. It’s becoming a trend. Not sure what the world has come to! Looking at their FB pages and the various FB pages that glorify young lads making “AwayDays” around the country this is exactly what they’re after. Success is measured by views. Unfortunately the Warrington Town incident was a success and has given them a platform. And in part we are to blame. Those of us who stand behind the goal don’t challenge the kids goading the opposition keeper about drinking “p£ss” or that the “C”chant is never acceptable but we turn a blind eye Similarly a lot of us will know who some of these kids are. They’ve travelled on the buses. They were there at Alfreton last year. Jeez one of their dads was one of the guys having a fight with another GAFC fan at Alfreton so in part we don’t help ourselves by acceptance But ultimately it’s the kids who are misbehaving |
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Post by colinl on Jan 29, 2023 20:57:35 GMT 1
All these suggestions are aimed at our own young supporters(?) but it also takes the opposition's young supporters to cause problems, so we need a system that controls/excludes them as well as our own.
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Post by bigj on Jan 29, 2023 21:23:09 GMT 1
There was a letter in todays NLP from a Littlehampton supporter lamenting the same problems with a gang of young louts who have attached themselves to the club so it's not just us having problems.
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Post by mrsann on Jan 29, 2023 21:24:54 GMT 1
I guess that I am not the only one who has seen footage of Fylde v Chester yesterday, same problem larger numbers.
Solution, stewards outside the ground,under 18 no adult no entry and any query on age of adult proof of age.
Similarly unless the youngster is known to the supporters club organisers no away travel.
Try to do anything anywhere near a fair compromise which the club did and it will be seen as weakness and we saw the result yesterday.
I am not the only senior long standing supporter of this club who was treated to a smirk by a so called young supporter when admonished and no thanks that's not why I come to Guiseley and support my team.
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Post by Nik on Jan 29, 2023 21:52:52 GMT 1
Yes, pay on the gate on have to be accompanied if under 16. Stewarded before the turnstiles to avoid long queues. Last comment from me on this debacle. Mentioned what went on to a mate this morning. He tells me that this is becoming common at a number of clubs. Small groups of teenagers forming their own pathetic ‘ultra’ groups in an attempt to get fame on social media, particularly TikTok. Apparently there are many groups that chase some sort of social media ‘glory’ by this activity. It’s becoming a trend. Not sure what the world has come to! Looking at their FB pages and the various FB pages that glorify young lads making “AwayDays” around the country this is exactly what they’re after. Success is measured by views. Unfortunately the Warrington Town incident was a success and has given them a platform. And in part we are to blame. Those of us who stand behind the goal don’t challenge the kids goading the opposition keeper about drinking “p£ss” or that the “C”chant is never acceptable but we turn a blind eye Similarly a lot of us will know who some of these kids are. They’ve travelled on the buses. They were there at Alfreton last year. Jeez one of their dads was one of the guys having a fight with another GAFC fan at Alfreton so in part we don’t help ourselves by acceptance But ultimately it’s the kids who are misbehaving I know what you mean but I’m not making it my job to police them. This is what I do for fun in my evenings and weekends. I don’t go there looking to do other people’s parenting. |
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Post by adambrid on Jan 29, 2023 22:12:19 GMT 1
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Post by grassroot on Jan 30, 2023 11:48:20 GMT 1
Please excuse my obvious nativity concerning such matters but it seems the wearing of the Stone Island brand scarves signifies lnvolvement in an increasingly significant subculture which embraces football hooliganism as part of its activities. This is a national problem and there is ample information on the internet .
In view of similar problems being encountered at other clubs a joint initiative from the various leagues to deal with it would be a significant step forwardi.
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Post by andyhaines on Jan 30, 2023 12:52:01 GMT 1
The key here isn't stopping the kids getting in, it's an adequate level of stewarding and actually dealing with anyone overstepping the mark by ejecting them from the ground. The throwing of items on Saturday had been going on for a substantial amount of time with little effective stewarding to step in an stop it. Two stewards between the away fans and those kids was not enough and the general standoffish approach isn't good enough. While this is going on, every game should be segregated.
Also, do we have CCTV? If not, it is needed.
These things cost money but ensuring the safety of fans in the ground is a million times more important than a new centre-back. At the end of the day, it's these kids causing the issues but it is down to the club to manage it. These problems went away from league football in the 90s by effective stewarding and policing of games. Moaning about the perpetrators won't fix anything.
Frankly, I won't be bringing my son to games in the current atmosphere.
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Post by grassroot on Jan 30, 2023 13:51:37 GMT 1
Oops!, Naivety
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Post by andyhaines on Jan 30, 2023 14:20:24 GMT 1
I think what you say is absolutely correct. Taking a joined up approach with other clubs is a good idea and should be the case. If you were reading as a comment on what you said, I wasn't. I'm a bit wound up about this (as everyone is I think). I just think the club must have noticed this as a growing problem and haven't adapted their approach to crowd control. To say the fans aren't being controlled enough would imply that there is any control. |
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Post by disguiselee on Jan 30, 2023 14:48:42 GMT 1
I agree that for now all games should be segregated, I never thought it would come down to this and I would be saying it but something has to be done right away. I also think that the Stocks stand should be made more secure with more male stewards and it be exclusively for youths that are unaccompanied by adults. Also no more than 2 youths allowed to walk around the home section together and this only for a toilet break or purchase of food, no bottles or cans of drink or anything else that can be used as a weapon to be taken into the stand. After the end of the game all stewards to be used to contain the youths in the said stand for at least a quarter of an hour to allow all away supporters and home supporters who want to get away safely. This would or should stop any attacks on coaches hopefully.
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