Hyde United at home

[colinl]

We should change the U11 category to U14, charging £2, and ban ALL 14 to U18s.

[netherfieldlion]

A day to try and forget at Nethermoor.

Beaten by a better team on the day but that is the least of our worries as the problems caused by the Guiseley Not-so-massive continue to grow.

There needs to be a police presence from the start until this nonsense subsides.

The seated stands were noticeably less populated prior to the youths taking refuge in there. A sign that genuine supporters are being driven away by these wanna be hooligans.

More thoughts here.

feedthemtothelions.wordpress.com/2023/01/29/guiseley-2-hyde-united-3/

[troll]

I was surprised no more visible police presence at the game. There were 2 police vans in the White Cross car park an hour before the game.

The club's stewarding is wholly inadequate. I have no idea what they thought stopping the kids going in the George Stocks stand was going to achieve. Thankfully they didn't relocate to behind the goal. I wonder if stronger action will be taken after they moved to where the directors like to stand?

I'd suggest a membership system for the under 18s. No admission for anyone who can't produce a membership card at the turnstiles.

[rawdonlion]

The only reason the Police were at the white cross was for a 2 hour Subway lunch. They then proceeded to walk together x 5 (would it not be better to split up) and then stand down by the lions diner in the 2nd half when all the kids and Hyde fans were at the other end.

All in all between the stewards and Police it was still no deterrent to them. Stronger action needed.

In terms of the game without the distractions, played very well imo. Hyde the better side as more controlled. 10 conned the ref throughout and 8 made a miracle recovery at least 6 times after being mortally wounded. How 10 was not sent off in the lead up to Phillips dismissal is beyond me. Shocking ref, hope we don’t have him again in a hurry.

[blue]

When I left about five minutes before full time there were 5 police cars/vans in the car park and parked immediately outside. By my reckoning that's one more than the police officers who wandered aimlessly around the ground in the second half. Maybe there were lots of plain clothes police as promised, but if so they must have been a little too effecive at being invisible. Oh, and good to see a gaggle of (paid) stewards having a laugh together by the exit gate too.

[MrP]

What a disappointing day
First the football, I thought the referee was terrible and the red card changed the whole game. Hyde were tidy in possession but masters in the arts of gamesmanship. Their No 10 was a great little player but really should have been spoken to. As for GAFC, i think our manager has it all wrong with Boateng. No idea what he has done wrong but personally I think we would have won at Bamber Bridge and yesterday if he’d persisted with him. With 11vs11 I think we’d be typing about another win
As to the Guiseley Riot Squad, I supported the Clubs message and interventions after the South Shields game but unfortunately they didn’t work which was obvious from around 1.30pm when 30-50 of them were seen marching up and down the High Street presumably on their way to McDs. At the ground, our stewards were just too weak. I saw an older youth allowed to take 5 of his minors in as their responsible adult with the words “but you’ve got to stay with them”.. I know this may sound far too simple but can we just not let them in? They are obvious to all with their matching clobber. Once in the ground, all could see what was going to happen from the the first minute when congregated next to the stand and started goading The Hyde fans. It all added to a most unusual atmosphere. What we perhaps hadn’t expected was that our crew would run a the first punch like the little false not-so-hard-knocks they are. I think its important we remember that its the kids who are the problem. Where the club have failed is not enforcing (or not having the right staff to enforce) their rules. Stronger stewarding is needed and remembering its OK to say you’re not welcome and won’t be allowed in. What they going to do?

[whoputthebootin]

I was particularly sad to read that a supporter and father of a former Academy player felt it was necessary to remove his children from the situation yesterday 😪

[deejayrobertson]

Yesterday was utterly deflating. And utterly avoidable. It was plain for all to see what was about to happen. Why on earth these idiots are allowed in week on week is beyond me. Then to see them wandering around, balaclava’d and vaping with impunity made me sick, and angry. And it’s too late now, we have a reputation as thugs and idiots. And it’s all their doing.
Guiseley AFC isn’t powerless here though. We know who they are, they’re making no effort to hide themselves, so surely, SURELY, they can be barred. It will take more stewards, more policing and inevitably more cost, certainly in the short term - but the risk to our reputation is too great not to take the financial hit. This nonsense continues, and we will end up getting hefty fines and points deductions. Worse still, crowds will dwindle, budgets shrink to nothing, and any on field progress will falter. This isn’t doom mongering, we’ve seen this happen before to clubs.
So they don’t get in next time, and they keep trying for a few weeks until they get bored or find another soft touch. Eventually we can reclaim our club and start improving our reputation. This HAS to happen. I don’t want to lose my club.

[netherfieldlion]

The club is getting an absolutely caning on Social Media and inevitably, although some of the comments unfairly make out ALL Guiseley supporters are the lowest of the low , mud sticks and the club’s reputation is severely tarnished.

I supported the Boards reaction to the previous games antics but with hindsight it wasn’t anywhere near enough and the youths made a mockery of it.

Judging by the numbers that turned up yesterday I think the online ticketing merely encouraged others to join in the “fun” .

Having their details is pointless if they are not apprehended and then banned if caught misbehaving.

The club are going to have to hire a large number of effective and empowered stewards for the remainder of the season who show zero tolerance to loutish behaviour.

We want our club back and be able to once again say we are proud to support Guiseley without fear of ridicule.

[netherfieldlion]

On a lighter note for a moment it looks like the club may be looking at other forms of crowd control 🤣

[plasticman]

Perhaps the club could consider issuing a low cost photo-id for under-18s by post (to confirm their address). I suggest that all under-18s would be required to enter via a specified turnstile. The card could be checked by a steward prior to entry (rather than the turnstile operator), who would write their membership number on their hand in indelible ink. Most kids seem to have no problems being similarly marked when entering the clubhouse.

If the child is later ejected, a note can be made of their number so they can be banned from attending further games, and potentially assist the police if further enquiries are necessary.

[MrP]

Jan 29, 2023 17:46:45 GMT 1 plasticman said:

Perhaps the club could consider issuing a low cost photo-id for under-18s by post (to confirm their address). I suggest that all under-18s would be required to enter via a specified turnstile. The card could be checked by a steward prior to entry (rather than the turnstile operator), who would write their membership number on their hand in indelible ink. Most kids seem to have no problems being similarly marked when entering the clubhouse.

If the child is later ejected, a note can be made of their number so they can be banned from attending further games, and potentially assist the police if further enquiries are necessary.

I understand this but it really is more simple. In the old days, you used to get refused access to the NightClub unless you had the right shoes etc. In our case, these youngun’ make no effort to conform. And the clobber they wear makes them stand out like the proverbial sore thumb. Thus, If we move back to “pay-on-the gate” and have strong enough security they could easily be turned away simply based on their look. And the look is important to these youngun’s. None of the “good kids” are wearing the same clothes. As DJ rightly says, they will soon get bored and move on. We just need to be a little firmer in who we let in…..

[ivor]

Jan 29, 2023 17:46:45 GMT 1 plasticman said:

Perhaps the club could consider issuing a low cost photo-id for under-18s by post (to confirm their address). I suggest that all under-18s would be required to enter via a specified turnstile. The card could be checked by a steward prior to entry (rather than the turnstile operator), who would write their membership number on their hand in indelible ink. Most kids seem to have no problems being similarly marked when entering the clubhouse.

If the child is later ejected, a note can be made of their number so they can be banned from attending further games, and potentially assist the police if further enquiries are necessary.

I think this kind of ID card which can be revoked is exactly what is needed

[ivor]

Jan 29, 2023 18:03:49 GMT 1 MrP said:

Jan 29, 2023 17:46:45 GMT 1 plasticman said:

Perhaps the club could consider issuing a low cost photo-id for under-18s by post (to confirm their address). I suggest that all under-18s would be required to enter via a specified turnstile. The card could be checked by a steward prior to entry (rather than the turnstile operator), who would write their membership number on their hand in indelible ink. Most kids seem to have no problems being similarly marked when entering the clubhouse.

If the child is later ejected, a note can be made of their number so they can be banned from attending further games, and potentially assist the police if further enquiries are necessary.

I understand this but it really is more simple. In the old days, you used to get refused access to the NightClub unless you had the right shoes etc. In our case, these youngun’ make no effort to conform. And the clobber they wear makes them stand out like the proverbial sore thumb. Thus, If we move back to “pay-on-the gate” and have strong enough security they could easily be turned away simply based on their look. And the look is important to these youngun’s. None of the “good kids” are wearing the same clothes. As DJ rightly says, they will soon get bored and move on. We just need to be a little firmer in who we let in…..

But can you turn people away on that basis legally? If so, by all means let's try

[MrP]

IF you check out the FB response to the Club’s previous statement, names and faces are readily available…..