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Post by adambrid on Jan 30, 2023 16:06:51 GMT 1
The club have issued the following statement: guiseleyafc.co.uk/club-statement-hyde-united-game/Guiseley AFC would like to formally apologise to anyone who attended the match on Saturday and was directly or indirectly affected by the behaviour of the group of individuals causing trouble. The club will be reviewing all footage and photography, including that posted on social media to identify anyone who participated in any anti-social behaviour both in the ground and in the community and will take action against them. In light of the incident, we are investigating the legal and financial implications of additional measures. Whilst we are awaiting responses from our enquiries, we will be implementing additional changes to the Ground Regulations. These will be applicable immediately and will run until the end of the season, at which point they will be reviewed. To gain entry to the ground, all young people aged 21 years or under, that are not attending the match as part of a family group, must have a season ticket or a GAFC Youth Membership. The Youth Membership card will allow the holder to purchase a ticket to the match. If you do not have your Youth membership card you will not be permitted to purchase a ticket. The prices are as follows: GAFC Youth Membership £10 per person GAFC Season Ticket £25 under 18/ £60 Adults Entry for Youth membership holders will be via turnstiles 1 and 2 only. Applications for GAFC Youth membership and Season Tickets will only be via application form, photograph, payment and a conversation with parents or guardians of the applicant before the relevant cards will be issued. Existing season ticket holders may continue to use their current season ticket. Away fans – the club will be in discussions with the League and our opposition for the remainder of the season to discuss how best manage visiting fans. AB |
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Post by otleybrian on Jan 30, 2023 18:26:45 GMT 1
Will this mean the supporters club will also ban them from taking them to away games
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Post by GAFC 1909 on Jan 30, 2023 18:49:01 GMT 1
What is the £60 price for season ticket for adults? That sounds cheap!
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Post by ivor on Jan 30, 2023 19:20:52 GMT 1
I think these measures are clear, workable and proportionate.
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Post by rawdonlion on Jan 30, 2023 19:35:36 GMT 1
Issues like this polarise opinion but I think 21 years old is ridiculous. 18 yes, 21, not for me.
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Post by eboracuman on Jan 30, 2023 19:48:37 GMT 1
I agree, U18 is where the cut off should be. Can’t this be implemented in conjunction with the GAFCSC, as these measures will surely impact on away travel also?
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Post by Nik on Jan 30, 2023 20:07:59 GMT 1
Issues like this polarise opinion but I think 21 years old is ridiculous. 18 yes, 21, not for me. Going by the profiles their post from, a group of very visible (both in the disturbances themselves and on social media afterwards) individuals fall slightly above the 18 year-old cutoff. I would imagine they thought it was very funny and clever bringing children in with them. If I was guessing I would say this higher cutoff is chosen partly with them in mind. Also, there’s the “think 21” approach to filtering the children out, by moving the cutoff you’re asking the stewards to use a bit higher. (I have no horse here except wanting my club back, but that’s my guess as to the reasoning) |
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Post by rawdonlion on Jan 30, 2023 20:15:49 GMT 1
Get the rationale but a) if we know who they are then why are they allowed to attend a game b) if they are in the ground and causing trouble why are the stewards not doing what they are paid to do c) if ejected then have a couple of police on hand to take their particulars and get a banning order.
We’re talking single figures of 18 plus bringing in the others. They’d stick out like a sore thumb. It just seems so over the top when stronger stewarding and a small police presence is the answer.
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Post by MrP on Jan 30, 2023 20:46:55 GMT 1
I think these measures are clear, workable and proportionate. I agree. I think the 21 cut off has been made as there were over 18s taking in the under 18s on Saturday. Again if you look at the wording, this is for unaccompanied youngsters. If you’re part of a family group it’s not needed. Personally I’d have perhaps priced the card and season ticket a little higher to act as a deterrent. If you can afford their clothing then they wont necessarily be put off. We will know at the next home game one way or another. If they return in force then we will need stronger stewarding (security), a police presence and segregation for sure. I think the Club is trying but I really think they need a new security company. The ground has never felt safe when trouble brews - Take Shildon, Stockport, Fleetwood, Aggro FC for example…. |
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Post by plasticman on Jan 30, 2023 21:25:43 GMT 1
I'm delighted to see the club taking firm action. However, I have a few thoughts to plug the gaps.
It is all well and good having an ID card to get into the ground, but how is it going to be used later to identify and ban trouble makers? As far as I'm aware, stewards can't even get trouble-makers to provide their name, let alone search them. And incriminating documentation has a habit of being "mislaid". The Channel floor is littered with documentation from migrants crossing in dinghies and, allegedly, phones that would have been useful evidence in libel trials, unfortunately being accidentally dropped from the side of boats.
As has been previously suggested, their membership number should be written on their hand on entry. Nobody seems to complain about being similarly marked when entering the clubhouse. If any attempt is made to remove or disfigure the number, this alone could be treated as a reason for believing that there was an intent to cause trouble, and they could be removed and held for the police to process.
I suggest that a steward is commandeered to check IDs before the turnstile against a current list of who is banned - not that just an ID card is held.
What exactly is meant by a "family group"? Perhaps it could be simplified to someone over 30 may be accompanied by up to 4 minors, or similar, but allow for common sense to be applied?
I'm not sure why bother with a "conversation with parents or guardians" to confirm the suitability of their innocent cherub to attend matches? Would these be the same "pillar of the community" figures who are happy to supply alcohol and vapes to minors? I don't think it would be hard for rogue kids to find fake parents/guardians.
I appreciate that there may well be a negative impact on away supporters. Perhaps in the short term, all games could be segregated. Given how fast and far the mini-hooli-wannabes ran away on Saturday, I strongly suspect that they wouldn't want to be penned in with them.
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Post by aalnth on Jan 30, 2023 21:45:09 GMT 1
What is the £60 price for season ticket for adults? That sounds cheap! Only to cover the rest of the season, sounds about right |
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Post by bigj on Jan 30, 2023 21:51:00 GMT 1
The club have responded with 48 hours to the issues we all experienced on Saturday with a range of more stringent measures, so lets give them a chance shall we rather than querying every detail?
After all this seems to be a societal problem and not just Guiseley's, the social media platfoms ought to bear some responsibility as well but as per usual we'll get the standard diatribe of acknowledging it and then doing sweet fa.
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Post by Nik on Jan 30, 2023 22:36:29 GMT 1
Get the rationale but a) if we know who they are then why are they allowed to attend a game b) if they are in the ground and causing trouble why are the stewards not doing what they are paid to do c) if ejected then have a couple of police on hand to take their particulars and get a banning order. We’re talking single figures of 18 plus bringing in the others. They’d stick out like a sore thumb. It just seems so over the top when stronger stewarding and a small police presence is the answer. I have no answers! |
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Post by ivor on Jan 30, 2023 22:37:01 GMT 1
Totally agree bigj. Might be teething troubles but let's give these measures a chance
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Post by lioncub on Jan 30, 2023 22:54:01 GMT 1
I’m content to see the club ( in consultation with the Police and Security) implement measures they regard as effective deterrents to so called hooligans attending and disrupting our matches.
I want supporters to feel safe and secure, I want parents to be able to bring their children to matches and enjoy their time at Nethermoor and I want to see our status as a family friendly club who welcome visiting fans restored.
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