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Post by tugger18 on Jan 28, 2023 22:57:26 GMT 1
I was at the game today and thought we did really well with 11 men and more with 10 men. Thought we matched Hyde well and created the best chances until the sending off didn’t think the ref had much option. All the play acting from The Hyde players thereafter played into the refs hands.
Once again after a very good performance by the team as per last home game against South Shields all the talk and rightly so is about the hooligan element that tend to show up at the home games.
The so called Guiseley massive showed their true worth when confronted by rival supporters ran away and took refuge in the seated stand putting loyal supporters at risk.
Don’t know what the solution is but the measures the club tried clearly failed. I have not seen so many young people at a Guiseley match wearing stone island clothing as I saw today.
From walking upto the ground from Morrison’s I could see the so called idiots congregating all the way up to the ground.
I know the club tried to take measures to restrict the youth element into the the ground I have never seen so many youths in nethermoor. Maybe a police presence away from the ground may be more appropriate I don’t know what I do know it’s only a matter of time that someone gets seriously injured. Hope I’m wrong but I’ve seen this situation before many years ago.
The fact the club tried to do something about the moronic behaviour only publicised the fact Guiseley had a problem along with social media. I think the club need to consult clubs at a higher level plus the police to start to overcome this loutish behaviour that is tarnishing our family club.
Onwards and upwards.
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Post by colin19 on Jan 28, 2023 23:00:38 GMT 1
I’m furious tonight. We have been mugged by a bunch of stone island wearing vandals over recent weeks. I feel robbed of something valuable - ie the club I’ve contributed to for a number of years.
It’s easy to say the club should do more - but Guiseley didn’t create this. I’m sure there is more we can collectively do. But we, those who love and contribute positively to the club are the victims. What has brought about such retrograde embarrassing young boys? St Mary’s and Guiseley School will probably have questions of those caught on film today (they will hear of it). Their parents will see what their kids have been up to to shortly.
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Post by whoputthebootin on Jan 28, 2023 23:05:59 GMT 1
Such behavior is not a widespread problem at this level so it can't just be a general social problem. I don't know why these malicious thugs have attached themselves to us but it is now our problem Unfortunately it is Ivor, there has been incidents at Belper and various other grounds this season and even Whitby most recently who had a young mob the stewards had to keep away from the coach, I saw them as I drove away, non-league now reminds me of the dark old days of the late 70s early 80s in the FL, it's cheap, poor stewarding, mainly old grounds and there is hardly any CCTV, so you can be fairly sure there won't be a knock on your door 3 months down the line at 7am. Add into the mix no segregation and you have the recipe for disaster, Basically they have a free pass to do what they want, if the club(s) don't wake up and do something about it |
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Post by whoputthebootin on Jan 28, 2023 23:18:36 GMT 1
I’m furious tonight. We have been mugged by a bunch of stone island wearing vandals over recent weeks. I feel robbed of something valuable - ie the club I’ve contributed to for a number of years. It’s easy to say the club should do more - but Guiseley didn’t create this. I’m sure there is more we can collectively do. But we, those who love and contribute positively to the club are the victims. What has brought about such retrograde embarrassing young boys? St Mary’s and Guiseley School will probably have questions of those caught on film today (they will hear of it). Their parents will see what their kids have been up to to shortly. Yes it easy to say the club should do more, especially when it changes it's ground regulations then does not implement them, the evidence was there today for everyone to see |
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Post by tugger18 on Jan 28, 2023 23:20:38 GMT 1
Such behavior is not a widespread problem at this level so it can't just be a general social problem. I don't know why these malicious thugs have attached themselves to us but it is now our problem Unfortunately it is Ivor, there has been incidents at Belper and various other grounds this season and even Whitby most recently who had a young mob the stewards had to keep away from the coach, I saw them as I drove away, non-league now reminds me of the dark old days of the late 70s early 80s in the FL, it's cheap, poor stewarding, mainly old grounds and there is hardly any CCTV, so you can be fairly sure there won't be a knock on your door 3 months down the line at 7am. Add into the mix no segregation and you have the recipe for disaster, Basically they have a free pass to do what they want, if the club(s) don't wake up and do something about it Agree totally Mick we’ve seen it all before and nobody’s mentioned Warrington. We are getting a reputation we could do without. No way am I condoning this behaviour but the cowards can’t even back their antisocial behaviour up they ran away. Which puts more innocent people in danger. |
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Post by plasticman on Jan 28, 2023 23:20:47 GMT 1
This afternoon was not just disappointing - defeats inevitably are, even if by a better team on the day - but dispiriting. During the years I've been attending games at Nethermoor there has been a small number of pubescent schoolboys testing their burgeoning masculinity by attempting to goad opposition supporters with ribald chants. Thankfully there haven't been too many serious physical confrontations.
Unfortunately, over the last few games, for whatever reason, the number of school-age children attending and congregating together has significantly increased, as has their bad behaviour. I would hazard a guess that the majority are ordinarily reasonably behaved kids, but a significant number are overly influenced by a few bad apples, bent on causing trouble. I suspect that there may have been a streak of defiance against recent restrictions on attending home games that fuelled matters today.
It struck me that the current tactics of dealing with unaccompanied under-18s are wrong, and I would suggest doing almost the opposite:
Restrict on-line sales of under-18 tickets to one per person, and monitor who is buying. Is there any mechanism to stop anyone, particularly a teenage entrepreneur, block-buying tickets and selling them on via school/ social media?
All unaccompanied under-25s are to enter via the turnstile by the club house, and will be triaged by stewards on entering the ground.
Anyone who appears to be under-18 will be required to stand under the covered terracing by the club house. This covered terracing will be intensively stewarded.
I'm not familiar with the current ground rules, but I suspect that there will be a, or several clauses, stating the reasons why patrons may be ejected from the ground e.g. foul language, threatening behaviour, bringing the club into disrepute etc. Patrons will be reminded of the rules prior to kick-off.
The stewards will eject anyone who contravene the rules. An absolute zero-tolerance approach will be taken.
The kids will probably try and disrupt any ejections by milling around. There must be sufficient stewards to counteract this. Those attempting to disrupt ejections will also be ejected. I would suggest stewards should be of a statuesque build that would normally man the doors at a night club in Dewsbury.
Stewards are limited as to what sanctions they can apply. Fortunately, the police are not.
Ejected supporter will be delivered into the hands of a small police presence for them to process, as they see fit. As a minimum, the threat of notifying parents, perhaps their schools or other parties, may be effective?
Hopefully in a very short time the undesirables will realise they are very unwelcome and a normality can return. I appreciate that this will not be cheap, but as the adage goes, a stitch in time saves nine.
It took time, cash and a lot of effort to stem the hooliganism rife in the 70s and 80s after it had been allowed to fester. Hopefully things can be nipped in the bud now.
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Post by colin19 on Jan 28, 2023 23:42:39 GMT 1
Agree. If they got through the gates those boys should have been kicked out. Clubs at our level rely on a social contract. The boys have broken that. They are the perpetrators and, let’s not forget, have collectively caused harm to a young child.
They are not hard up kids either I guess. Stone Island (or Aquascutum) scarves I saw today are worth at least £70 a pop. Several were being worn by the kids running in front of the main stand. Embarrassing. I think some parents will be even more embarrassed after today. It’s the parents, the schools, and the kids themselves that have to face consequences.
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Post by matt on Jan 28, 2023 23:57:44 GMT 1
Depressing to say this, and know that the innocent majority will suffer. I’d ban all unaccompanied under 16s for the remainder of the season and segregate all matches. To be enforced by a stewards prior to turnstile entry.
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Post by andyhaines on Jan 29, 2023 0:08:26 GMT 1
Depressing to say this, and know that the innocent majority will suffer. I’d ban all unaccompanied under 16s for the remainder of the season and segregate all matches. To be enforced by a stewards prior to turnstile entry. Completely agree. Today's game would have been decidedly less unsavoury if it had been segregated and the issue seems to entirely be unaccompanied teenagers. Someone said at halftime that the reason the Hyde fans chased the lads was amongst all the throwing of stuff (that the stewards did pretty much nothing to deal with) a brick got thrown at the Hyde fans. Does anyone know if that is accurate? |
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Post by rawdonlion on Jan 29, 2023 0:22:57 GMT 1
Well something has to give as otherwise we might be playing behind closed doors!!
I heard it was beer thrown at an away fan which sparked the trouble. They’re all wannabe football hooligans which they ain’t but it is leaving a scar on the clubs reputation. Any link over the last few weeks that Leeds and Bradford haven’t had a game over these weekends.
On speaking to some of the players they were clearly distracted by events. Whether that led to their concentration being lost on the pitch who knows.
It is an embarrassment and one we need up address urgently. Surely away fans, whether a small number or large groups singing deserve the right to turn up, support their team, have a drink all in safety. Not a lot to ask in 2023 is it!! I’d like to think we’d be entitled to do the same away but as I mentioned last week the away fans, who go to all the games, have a target on our backs due to these moronic idiots.
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Post by andyhaines on Jan 29, 2023 0:45:10 GMT 1
Well something has to give as otherwise we might be playing behind closed doors!! I heard it was beer thrown at an away fan which sparked the trouble. They’re all wannabe football hooligans which they ain’t but it is leaving a scar on the clubs reputation. Any link over the last few weeks that Leeds and Bradford haven’t had a game over these weekends. On speaking to some of the players they were clearly distracted by events. Whether that led to their concentration being lost on the pitch who knows. It is an embarrassment and one we need up address urgently. Surely away fans, whether a small number or large groups singing deserve the right to turn up, support their team, have a drink all in safety. Not a lot to ask in 2023 is it!! I’d like to think we’d be entitled to do the same away but as I mentioned last week the away fans, who go to all the games, have a target on our backs due to these moronic idiots. Well, I think the Hyde fans might not have the moral high ground on beer throwing because they were definitely doing that to the kids well before the incident. ...thing is though, these are 14 year old kids thinking they're all that with grown men, who may well have been drinking all day. One of them is going to get properly battered one day and not just the bloodied nose that one of them got today. My worry is that word will spread and trouble makers from other clubs are going to start making a bee line for the Guiseley away fixture. |
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Post by colinl on Jan 29, 2023 0:59:51 GMT 1
We should humiliate them by having their photos, names and school/employer printed in the local press ie: YP, YEP, T&A and Wharfedale under an appropriate heading.
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Post by mrsann on Jan 29, 2023 1:02:45 GMT 1
Others have asked what are Guiseley supposed to do.
Firstly honour the statement they made.
Under 18s to be accompanied by an adult.
An increased stewarding presence
Fans miss behaving ejected from the ground
None of this has been upheld,so yes I for one feel badly let down by the club.
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Post by physed on Jan 29, 2023 1:24:29 GMT 1
I rest my case. I knew that the majority of comments would be about the behaviour of a group of morons intent on spoiling the family image of our club. It is obvious the team are been affected. Those in charge of the club need to get a grip before we are given FA sanctions!
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Post by GAFC 1909 on Jan 29, 2023 1:39:22 GMT 1
Others have asked what are Guiseley supposed to do. Firstly honour the statement they made. Under 18s to be accompanied by an adult. An increased stewarding presence Fans miss behaving ejected from the ground None of this has been upheld,so yes I for one feel badly let down by the club. Agreed. I cannot understand why there were so many unaccompanied under 18's after the clubs statement last week. When I walked past the large group towards the end of the game i would say that 50-75% of them looked clearly under 18. The club needs to answer for some of the actions today because they clearly haven't gone through with what they promised. my worry is that we start using the excuse that it is too expensive to make Nethermoor a safe place to visit by having proper security. We might as well just wind the club up and not bother anymore. It shouldn't ever be a consideration to try and cut corners on safety just to save a few quid. |
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